Do you agree with this statement?

**Omar** · Posted On: 2/04/2006 2:34am

You are severely ignorant about what he trains and what's there in Hung Gar.

I recall him referring to the Gracies in general, not just Royce.

I remember different. Not important enough to go looking it up though.

Grappling =/= grappling. It is not a trump card. It does not end all arguments.

That was a really dumb typo on my part. Fortunately I think you read it the way I meant it and not what I typed. lol.

You my overconfident little friend, would get your ass handed to you. I am so confident of that assumption that it's not worth bothering to try and convince anybody. The thought of you taking out JFS is as laughable to me as the thought of JFS taking out Royce is to most of the rest of this board. Not worth debating. Only good for laughs.

**Camus** · Posted On: 2/04/2006 2:42am

get a life and stop worrying about your epeen loser

**Jitsuman** · Posted On: 2/04/2006 3:46am

The answer is no.

JFS might be a great striker (not that we've yet seen anything impressive yet)

Royce specialized in taking strikers down and beating them on the ground. Tyson would probably get destroyed by Royce in minutes. JFS? bitch please.

Once on the ground it's over, no contest from there.

**Omar** · Posted On: 2/04/2006 4:51am

That's what I mean about the ignorance about what he trains. JFS is one of the truly rare breed who have convinced me that have quality Hung Gar. The good stuff has a very strong stand up grappling game. Hung Gar is 80% right on the blurry edge between grappling and striking. No groundwork but I mean the standing work is mostly from within the clinch and most strikes assume you already have a hold of the other guy. The one place I really excelled in my teeny tiny grappling experience was in grip fighting and it was pure Hung Gar.

I will be happy to eat my words if some average grappler like Os shows up and takes him down but Hung Gar is not known for that kind of weakness. I expect Omega could do it. Probably Asia as well. Not Osiris. He has neither the experience or the size and his striking game is too weak to get past JFS's fists anyways.
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Royce is hardly any kind of a great takedown artist. He didn't specialize in taking down skilled strikers. He just specialized in BJJ and all the so called strikers who showed up in the first several UFC's had **** for base. They were nothing like the traditional guys I have worked with who have been immersed in a throwing world for decades. I could take down the vast majority of strikers I have met if I was willing to go down with them like that.

How long did Cropcop have to prepare before he made the cross over from K1 to Pride? I know he has fantastic coaches and by this time has probably beome pretty decent although last I heard he was only like a BJJ blue or something.

What kind of grappling did Chuck Liddell have? Lots of ring experience but what were his credentials not now but whenever he grabbed his first UFC championship?

Why is Royce the underdog in his next fight? (or did it already happen? Must not have because ICY is still talking about the upcoming pictures of his likely swirly.)

**chaosexmachina** · Posted On: 2/04/2006 4:52am

Originally Posted by Omar

When was UFC 1 anyways? I really can't remember. 88? 90? Later?

The first was in 1993.

**Omar** · Posted On: 2/04/2006 4:55am

Thanks.

I coulda sworn it was when I was still in High School. Guess not.

**liokault** · Posted On: 2/04/2006 5:06am

Originally Posted by Osiris

It kinda does when you can't defend against it.

Wasn't Royce fucked up by some religious TKD guy who clearly knew no ground fighting? As I recall, that guy was just a big strong striker.....hmmmm not unlike JFS.

I'm going to vote yes. Not because I think he would beat Royce, but because I think there is a chance that he would beat royce.

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 2/04/2006 5:14am

Wasn't Royce fucked up by some religious TKD guy who clearly knew no ground fighting?

No, that guy, Kimo, got fucked up by Royce, despite being younger, stronger, and roidier than JFS.

I think JFS should walk into John Rallo's school and Gong Sau...I mean, that's what he does right? Or is that just an internet/through the mail thing? Does he duck when a real opponent comes along?

**Omar** · Posted On: 2/04/2006 5:19am

If JFS was about 45 I would agree. I think 50+ gets a "get out of jail free" pass on having to proactively go out and seek challenges like that. I [i] do think it's a good idea though.

Basically I am with Liokault. He's got a chance.