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  1. Aesopian is offline

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    I just asked grappling specific ones since that's what I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    What if neither side is going really hard?

    What if you're not rolling for submission?

    What if it is full resistance but an isolated position?

    What if I'm rolling for transition, not even trying to stop and hold a position?

    What if I'm going light and letting them go hard?

    Are these still sparring?
    Some of it might be one step in a progression, or it might just suck. Defining a term isn't the same as judging whether a specific instance is a good practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    What if neither side is going really hard?
    Iīve included "variable level of contact" in my definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    What if you're not rolling for submission?
    In striking, you donīt spar to knock people out. I f youīre trying to apply techniques not specifically intented to submit, but with the intent to succed in the applycation of said techniques and the opponent is resisting, and there isnīt a predetermined set, itīs still sparring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    What if it is full resistance but an isolated position?
    Iīm not sure what youīre talking about, since i donīt know anything about grappling. Do you mean like "starting in a predetermined postion -like, say, in guard- and hold your own there", or do you mean "apply an armbar form mount in a predetermined fashion". The first Iīd still woulld call it sparring, the second Iīd call it full-resistance drilling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    What if I'm rolling for transition, not even trying to stop and hold a position?
    As long as is not in a predetermined set, and your opponent is resisting, itīs still sparring.

    Iīd put an example, letīs say that Iīm trying to improve my punching game, and thus, only use punches with my partner. As long as itīs not a predetermined combo, itīs still sparring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    What if I'm going light and letting them go hard?
    "variable level of resistance" does not necesarily mean that both partners have to stay at the same level. Itīs not uncommon in striking (and I would assume in grappling too) that the more experienced or skilled partner goes lighter on the other. Itīs still sparring, if all of the above applies.

    Sparring per se, imo, does not imply necessarily a high level of contact, altrough a minimun is required.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    I just asked grappling specific ones since that's what I do.
    I tried to keep my definition non-striking oriented, but since I lack grappling experience, I may have missed something.

    Any input would be appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    What if neither side is going really hard?

    What if you're not rolling for submission?

    What if it is full resistance but an isolated position?

    What if I'm rolling for transition, not even trying to stop and hold a position?

    What if I'm going light and letting them go hard?

    Are these still sparring?
    yep, then it's Research Sparring
    Research sparring is when you help your sparring partner understand the technique. Sometime just beating the crap out of them doesn't work. We play nice and actually teach through research sparring sometimes. People tend to learn a bit faster this way too! :angel7:
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    i like that research sparring... thats what we do when i get a submission on a poor white belt i ease up and let him learn the escape/counter for it and back and forth...
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