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  1. losttrak is offline

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    Terminology Definitions: "Sparring"

    In another post (see below), several individuals had come to the conclusion that we should set some hard definitions for martial arts terms to provide clarity and concrete jargon when discussing certain things on the boards. Ideally, we could create a Bullshido Lexicon or at least a Terminology Index.

    Phrost put forth our first word to define: sparring


    How do we (the members of Bullshido) wish to define it?





    Previous post: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=31093&page=6


    **I put this under the techniques forum, since defining and labeling techniques is key to the sharing of information. Seems relevant to me.**
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    Sparring: A training protocol in martial arts and combat sports which consist in the actual and no predetermined exchange of blows and/or application of grappling techniques under a determined ruleset with a variable level of contact and with the intent of succed in said application. Its purpose is to test and develop fighting skills in a no-compliant environment.

    I re-post my little grain of sand.
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    We should probably have threads for each subject. We'll use this as the Sparring thread. I'll move it to Bullshido since this falls perfectly within the site's mandate and that's our showcase forum.
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    Lol, I never get the right forum. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    We should probably have threads for each subject. We'll use this as the Sparring thread. I'll move it to Bullshido since this falls perfectly within the site's mandate and that's our showcase forum.
    Aye, but once we come to an agreement maybe it would be good to make a glossary and sticky it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lights Out
    Sparring: A training protocol in martial arts and combat sports which consist in the actual and no predetermined exchange of blows and/or application of grappling techniques under a determined ruleset with a variable level of contact and with the intent of succed in said application. Its purpose is to test and develop fighting skills in a no-compliant environment.

    I re-post my little grain of sand.

    The only change I would make is that I always think of sparing as friendly. Where as I think of competition as serious. There are some things I dont do as often when I feel friendly vs when I just want to win. Such as put myself in a bad position to try to get out of it, or not taking some throws because I want to help the other person learn and not just toss them like a rag doll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FictionPimp
    The only change I would make is that I always think of sparing as friendly. Where as I think of competition as serious.
    Correct, I missed that. The "with the intent to succed" may be misleading without that. By that I was trying to express that in sparring youre trying to succesfully apply said techniques as opposed to certain drills in whihc one of the participants is supposed to win and the other to lose.

    Quote Originally Posted by FictionPimp
    There are some things I dont do as often when I feel friendly vs when I just want to win. Such as put myself in a bad position to try to get out of it, or not taking some throws because I want to help the other person learn and not just toss them like a rag doll.
    Well, I was hoping that would be clear in the "Its purpose is to test and develop fighting skills in a no-compliant environment.". (My, oh, my, such a big grammar mistake I made and have just realized).

    Anyway I was trying to give a base definition, something to work with, and by no means, a definitive definition.
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    What if neither side is going really hard?

    What if you're not rolling for submission?

    What if it is full resistance but an isolated position?

    What if I'm rolling for transition, not even trying to stop and hold a position?

    What if I'm going light and letting them go hard?

    Are these still sparring?
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    Sparring: Simulated fighting for practice.

    Applies to both martial and verbal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    What if neither side is going really hard?

    What if you're not rolling for submission?

    What if it is full resistance but an isolated position?

    What if I'm rolling for transition, not even trying to stop and hold a position?

    What if I'm going light and letting them go hard?

    Are these still sparring?
    The fact that you used rolling several times suggests that there might be two extremes that get mapped to the terms sparring and rolling, where people might imagine sparring to be two people striking, and rolling is two people grappling on the ground.
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