John F. Springer aka JFSUSA - Bullshido?

**Dr. Sleepless** · Posted On: 2/02/2006 1:20pm

Off topic but I just looked at your style field and realized this site has a lot of Captain Americas.

Anyhow, those pictures are circumstantial. Perhaps posting up the TD vids? I think another criticism of the videos in time frame notation would be awesome.

**Aesopian** · Posted On: 2/02/2006 1:21pm

JFS left himself open to a reverse omoplata. He has no place teaching his crappling.

**Pandinha** · Posted On: 2/02/2006 1:21pm

Originally Posted by Sirc

Off topic but I just looked at your style field and realized this site has a lot of Captain Americas.

Anyhow, those pictures are circumstantial. Perhaps posting up the TD vids? I think another criticism of the videos in time frame notation would be awesome.

The video has been done ad naseum, I'll pass. I wanted this to be on Bullshido proper for posterity.

What do you mean Captain Americas?

**Dr. Sleepless** · Posted On: 2/02/2006 1:22pm

Captain America is a Judoka and Boxing...ka? Yeah.

Can I get a link to the TD vid? There's like a bazillion of them.

***Cassius*** · Posted On: 2/02/2006 1:23pm

I predict that the next time I look at this thread, it will be at least 10 pages long. Good day to you all.

**Pandinha** · Posted On: 2/02/2006 1:24pm

Originally Posted by Sirc

Captain America is a Judoka and Boxing...ka? Yeah.

Can I get a link to the TD vid? There's like a bazillion of them.

I do the unholy trinity. Judo, boxing, and BJJ.

Get yo ass to searching! No one here be your bitch!

Btw, didn't you say you had 30 yo sister? :)

**WingChun Lawyer** · Posted On: 2/02/2006 1:25pm

Originally Posted by Anthony

He got tapped by a Judo guy, and then claimed a back injury.

Well, it´s no shame getting tapped by a decent judoka, sir!

Seriously, I remember reading somewhere on the throwdown thread that JFS was looking for grappling lessons, and I do not remember him claiming to be experienced in grappling. The seminar was therefore a bad (bullshido) move, IF he was involved in the marketing scheme.

Anyway, as far as I know he is indeed an accomplished striker, so I would not ever call him a bullshido artist, nor do I believe that would be fair. Threatening you with a lawsuit or, worse, with actual violence is not acceptable at all, surely, but let´s not confuse things.

One thing is being an asshole who likes to threaten people, another is being a bullshido artist. Considering the praise JFS received for his participation in a throwdown, I would say his grappling mistakes, even at a seminar, should not lead to anything worse than a slap in the wrist.

I do not believe JFS needs my help here, by the way, but I like to keep things clear when it comes to calling people bullshido.

**Odacon** · Posted On: 2/02/2006 1:29pm

This thread (all 40'000 pages of it by the time it's finished) will predictibly have 2 contrasting opinions:
"JFS is an ass! He insulted me, it's about time he got his commupence"
"JFS is a great, leave him alone, he was at a throwdown, he hits hard".

**Dr. Sleepless** · Posted On: 2/02/2006 1:30pm

Originally Posted by Anthony

I do the unholy trinity. Judo, boxing, and BJJ.

Get yo ass to searching! No one here be your bitch!

Btw, didn't you say you had 30 yo sister? :)

Please!

And no she's 23. But my 30 year old aunt is looking for a divorce.

**Pandinha** · Posted On: 2/02/2006 1:31pm

Originally Posted by WingChun Lawyer

Well, it´s no shame getting tapped by a decent judoka, sir!

Seriously, I remember reading somewhere on the throwdown thread that JFS was looking for grappling lessons, and I do not remember him claiming to be experienced in grappling. The seminar was therefore a bad (bullshido) move, IF he was involved in the marketing scheme.

Anyway, as far as I know he is indeed an accomplished striker, so I would not ever call him a bullshido artist, nor do I believe that would be fair. Threatening you with a lawsuit or, worse, with actual violence is not acceptable at all, surely, but let´s not confuse things.

One thing is being an asshole who likes to threaten people, another is being a bullshido artist. Considering the praise JFS received for his participation in a throwdown, I would say his grappling mistakes, even at a seminar, should not lead to anything worse than a slap in the wrist.

I do not believe JFS needs my help here, by the way, but I like to keep things clear when it comes to calling people bullshido.

You are one of my dearest friends on this site, one though we haven't met. Normally, I would take anything you say and give it merit.

However, this is one intance where I cannot do that. Please do some more digging. Go into the big thread about Aesopian, and see people back peddling from him. The Judoka in question is not a senior one, who does BJJ once in a blue moon.

Watch the videos of that throwdown, see for yourself the crappling involved.

Then come back to me, and tell me that even with all the proof I have posted in this thread, that he espouses Bullshido for charging money to teach crap.

Please tell me you were not sucked up in his cult of personality.