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    We should start a poll:

    Did Phil:

    A.) Realize this article was probably a fake like he claims he did?

    B.) Think the article was a fake but include it anyway to pad his "mega issue?"

    C.) Not have any clue it was fake, purposely put bad advice in his article, and then write his rebuttal this morning to make it seem like he knew all along because he can't stand looking like a fool?

    I'll go with C, personally.
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    Should have Phil knew this article was a bullshido poster submission he wouldn´t have even give it a read.

    C) FTW.
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    How does a magazine publisher "own" someone when they've duped him into publishing a ridiculous and over-the-top worded article that's completely in-credible?

    It reminds me of Wimp Lo from Kung Pow:

    "I am bleeding, making ME the victor!"
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    All the emails between "Jason Devon" and Phil:
    1. 24th July 2005 From jasondevon2@hotmail.com to phil@philelmore.com
    Howdy Phil!

    Being in the self-protection business I am an avid reader of your superb ezine. Through a few years of experience I have a few tricks up my sleeve and thought it wouldn’t be a bad idea to share them, and what better way to do that than through your website.

    I hope you are not offended by this solicitation. I appreciate that you don’t know me from Adam. But I also know that you are a magnanimous knowledge seeker and sharer, keen to spread wisdom on its own merit, regardless of source. I have therefore taken the liberty of throwing together a draft essay which, if you desire, you can reconstruct into an article, or otherwise share the content. I have no desire to be famous, to get my name in print or even be recognized within the trade. Merely to share. Here is the secret to my safe movement in hostile urban environments:

    “We should not kid ourselves that luck is enough to save us from the urban menace that stalks our streets looking for easy victims, unwary citizens, the weak, the law abiding. This menace, the common criminal scum, the vagrant, the bully, is not above knifing you in the back for your wallet! It happened on my block just last month.

    It is only reasonable that we take precautions. If you are not already carrying an “equalizer” then you should be! Whether that’s a sidearm, a blade or a tactical torch, it is a must in today’s dangerous streets. But will it protect you from the criminal that knifes first, asks questions after????? No. The only way to protect yourself from this type of attack is to be armored.

    Few citizens can afford commercial body amour but against knives, there is simply no need to fork out $2000. You can make your own which will do the job. Here’s how:

    Take two vests which can easily be worn under garments. Use appropriately sized hardback books, quite thin ones (you can always rip pages out to make fatter ones thinner!) and distribute them between the two vests as plate armor. These are surprisingly resilient to knife cuts and thrusts. Sew these in so that the vests become one. In spaces between the plates, use rolled up newspaper, which is more flexible and almost as effective.

    The resulting vest can be worn under your coat and will give you enough time to respond to the attack, drawing your own equalizer and dispatching the scumbag.”

    Please do not feel obliged to publish it; I am fully aware that writing isn’t one of my strengths. And if you do consider the technical content worthy of publication, please feel free to edit it and even put your own name to it.

    Live safely Friend!
    Jason Devon, Braveworld Combat-Do
    1.a The original picture (never given to Phil, dates to 24th july 2005):


    2. 25th july 2005 Phil replies
    Jason,

    This is too short to be used for publication and is an idea previously published in "The Sicilian Blade," but if you've done this yourself and would be able to take pictures of the process (and the results) it might make for an interesting feature. Let me know if you're interested in doing that (and thanks for your kind words about The Martialist).

    Best,

    Phil
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    3. 25th July 2005 jason replies back
    Phil,

    Thank you for getting back to me. I didn’t realize that this info has been published before, hell, I thought I'd read just about everything in the Martialist – I sorta came up with this trick myself several years back. But I can make a fresh one and take pics as I go? Mine’s kinda tight anyhows. How many words and photos do you want?

    Jason
    4. 25th July Phil responds
    Jason,

    Longer is better, but there is really no minimum requirement -- it just has to be long enough to stand on its own. Take a look at some of the other articles linked in the archives and you'll see that even the short ones take up a bit of space, certainly more than just a couple of paragraphs. As for photos (preferably .JPGs) just take however many you need to illustrate what you're doing, step by step.

    Sounds like it might make for a good article...

    Phil
    5. 26th July Jason replies with draft article:
    Draft article: Home made Stab Vest (working title)
    By Jason Devon, July 2005


    We should not kid ourselves that luck is enough to save us from the urban menace that stalks our streets looking for easy victims, unwary citizens, the weak, the law abiding. This menace, the common criminal scum, the vagrant, the bully, is not above knifing you in the back for your wallet! It happened on my block just last month.

    It is only reasonable that we take precautions. If you are not already carrying an “equalizer” then you should be! Whether that’s a sidearm, a blade or a tactical torch, it is a must in today’s dangerous streets. But will it protect you from the criminal that knifes first, asks questions after????? No. If a felon is determined to stab you, they don’t show you the blade, they just walk up all subtle and bam!!!! -straight in the gut or back without warning. The only way to protect yourself from this type of attack is to be armored.

    Few citizens can afford commercial body amour but against knives, there is simply no need to fork out $1000 on Kevlar. You can make your own which will do the job at a fraction of the price. I’ve been wearing home made stab vests working the doors of notorious clubs for the past fifteen years and it’s saved my bacon more than once. I recall one such incident when I was working new-year’s eve –a slave to the mortgage. Trouble flared several times and I had to carry a few lively soles out to the fresh New York air. It was only when I got home and started undressing that I found a snapped off blade embedded in the book about where my left kidney is! I hadn’t even realized someone had stabbed me –and the vest saved me. I’ve also taken to wearing them when I’m in high risk neighborhoods and so far no one has ever discovered my secret. These things work, that I can say with absolute confidence.

    The best armor I’ve found is wood; books to be more precise. Hardback books offer the best protection but are not flexible enough to wear at the flanks, so I only use them on the front and back. The ribs I cover with thick softback novels. You can also use compressed newspaper but novels are probably easier. You can test the protection offered by books quite simply, take a knife and stab one. In the spirit of discovery I took the sharpest and sturdiest kitchen knife from my wife’s drawer and thrust it determinedly into a book –note how the tip hardly penetrates. And that’s a bigger knife than I’ve ever seen used by criminals, most assassins prefer a smaller easily concealed blade which doesn’t have nearly as much thrusting power as the heavy kitchen knife. Books like this are actually stronger than most types of natural wood because paper doesn’t have a grain so there is no splitting at the point of least resistance.
    -{picture ref Vest-2-a.jpg}-

    I’ve made my stab-vests in several designs, always improvised, but the one I’ll share I believe to be the most efficient and wearable. It doesn’t require any sewing and does not ruin the clothing used. It is strictly covert –the fashion police would arrest you if you wore it overtly! The basic ingredients:
    2 x large (A-4 or bigger) hardback books. Not too thick; 100 pages.
    2 x normal sized softback novels, quite thick; about 500 pages.
    2 x well fitting T-shirts
    4 x Bungee luggage straps with hooks on

    The basic armor layout is a hardback book front and rear with the novels on the flanks guarding the ribcage (a favorite target of the assassin!).
    -{picture ref Vest-1-a.jpg}-

    Firstly put one of the T-shirts on. Turn the bottom up and place the books into the turn-up. Wrap two of the luggage straps around so that they hold the books in place and tight to the body. This is very important; the vest will not be so effective if it moves about. It should look something like this:
    -{picture ref Vest-3-a.jpg}-

    Put the second T-Shirt on over the first and wrap the remaining two luggage straps around. The whole setup should be tight but not restrictive.
    -{picture ref Vest-5-a.jpg}-

    It really is as simple as that! You are now armored against the blade wielding scum that stalk our sidewalks looking for easy victims, and wander the nation’s dance floors looking for unguarded flanks. I hope that this trick is of some use to someone.

    Be safe!
    Jason Devon
    6. 26th July Phil replies
    Jason,

    This is nicely done. I will edit it and add some thoughts of my own, probably as editor's notes, but your pictures came out really nicely. One thing, though -- the vest looks fairly obvious in the pictures (it gives the torso a blocky look) -- how do you keep people from noticing that when you're wearing such things? Also, how heavy and uncomfortable is it when you wear it? Does it make you sweat more? These are things about which the reader will be curious.

    Phil
    7. 26th july 2005 jason replies
    Hi Phil,

    Wow, quick response. Thanks for your kind words again.

    I hear where you’re coming from; the vest is meant to be worn UNDER a jacket, like you say it’s hardly ninja subtle. Commercial ones are like that too. I’ve never found it overly hot, but I’ve never gone for a road run in one. For normal activities it’s fine and if you have to sprint out of trouble, well who cares if it’s a bit sweaty, there are more pressing issues. Because it’s tight to your body (very important in case of impacts) it feels quite light, in fact you soon forget you’re wearing it. It might be a bit more cumbersome in wrestling but we all know that you don’t want to get involved in wrestling anyway –hit and run! I think that it’s lighter than most police issue stab vests I’ve seen, certainly not too heavy. You raise very good questions, I’d never have thought of those.

    Take care, The Martialist is the bizzzz
    Jason
    8. 1st Aug 2005 Jason follows up
    Howdy Phil,

    Hope you had a good weekend. How’s it going with the article? Sorry to be a bore but it’s quite exciting for us first time contributors.

    Jason
    9. 1st aug 2005 Phil replies
    Jason,

    The article will appear in the triple issue I'm working on right now. I am not quite finished getting that together.

    Phil
    10. 29th Jan 2006 jason follows up again
    Hi Phil,

    Long time no speak. I’ve been off the web for the past few months –new addition to the family taking up all my time. I’ve had to give up the old ways and start being responsible.

    I hope the article I did on stab vests went down ok with the readers. I do hope it’s not too much to ask, but I wondered if I could have a copy of the article just for keep sakes?

    Yours,
    Jason
    11. 30th jan 2006 Phil replies
    Jason,

    Your article is in the mega-issue, which I have not yet finished editing -- I will send you a copy of the issue when it goes out.

    Phil
    12. 1st Feb 2006 jason replies
    Phil,

    Thanks for this, it's much appreciated. can't wait to see the mega-issue.

    Jason
    13. 2nd Feb Phil replies
    Jason,

    Go to http://www.philelmore.com/subscriberpen/ and you'll be able to download it. Let me know if you have any problems.

    Phil
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    just die already.
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    snrk.

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    A question.

    Wouldn´t the books, like, fall out of place if the happy owner of said vest actually walked around like a normal human being?

    I mean, those books are only held by elastic cords, right? I imagine that after 5 minutes walking around some of them would be around the owner´s ankles.
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    Fucking Awesome.

    Nice work Kickcatcher!
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    OMG! Where does it protect the initial chest areas? Jeez... Just when you think people in the world can't get any stupider, they find a way...
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    Wow!! Phil really showed you there kickcatcher! Now go cry yourself to sleep while thinking about how he owned your ass!

    Verbal aikido anyone?
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