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  1. Moleculo is offline
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    kickcatcher could use an issue of the martalist to shield the glass case from the hamster poop and send phil the results of the test.
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    This is why I present this as a demonstration that he published unverified articles - I have not said whether the stab vest could actually work or not.
    That's why it's easy for Phil to deflect any criticism.

    You could test stabbing books with a plethora of different knives, then post the results. Cover a wide array of variables and make it hard for anyone to deny to validity of your results.

    You may not cover literally every variable, but covering some is better than covering none.
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    We’ve sought third party expert opinion on whether the material and layout of the vest would be effective.

    In the mean time, my own thoughts having worn the silly thing:

    1) In optimum conditions a hardback book could offer a degree of protection, particularly against slashes.
    2) The layout of the vest provides only limited coverage. Coverage of real stab vests varies (as does protection) but is generally much more, particularly higher around the chest area.
    3) I’m “scrawny” as Phil describes me. Someone closer to Phil’s size would have large portions of midsection unprotected.
    4) The edges of the hardback books plus the spine and join between the paperback (flanks) and hardback books are weak points, either through deflection into unprotected areas or in the case of the spine poor protection full stop.
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    One of the main points that's being missed here, and is implied by the article, is:

    WHY THE **** WOULD ANYONE PUBLISH AN ARTICLE ABOUT USING BOOKS TO FEND OFF KNIFE ATTACKS? Seriously, what fucking world do these people who think like this live in? Would any rational, well-adjusted person actually wear one of these things if they were concerned about being stabbed?

    And the fact that it was written in a tone that suggests a deep paranoia and fear of the outside world, along with hyper-defensive hostility is just the icing on the bullshit cake.
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    I agree, the effectiveness of the vest is secondary.

    ICY, I don't have a digital camera with me, but if you have one or a webcam, just stick a knife through the open spine of a soft-back novel and post it here - that area of the vest really wouldn't be effective except against boxcutters or blunt knives.
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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  6. Pandinha is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    One of the main points that's being missed here, and is implied by the article, is:

    WHY THE **** WOULD ANYONE PUBLISH AN ARTICLE ABOUT USING BOOKS TO FEND OFF KNIFE ATTACKS? Seriously, what fucking world do these people who think like this live in? Would any rational, well-adjusted person actually wear one of these things if they were concerned about being stabbed?

    And the fact that it was written in a tone that suggests a deep paranoia and fear of the outside world, along with hyper-defensive hostility is just the icing on the bullshit cake.
    When I was in the pen, using books as body armor was a very common defense from being shanked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    Just kidding about being in the Pen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
  8. 1bad65 is online now
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    The funny thing is Phil running around so paranoid about every little thing, trying to cover every possible wacky scenario. Being on edge constantly. With all that fat and all that stress he should fear heart disease alot more than the homeless, minorities, etc.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    As far as testing the vest, all one has to do is to build the stupid thing, put it on, and then cruse down to a local mall and walk around. Does the vest slip down? Does it fall apart? Is it comfortable or practical to wear? Can you sit down in it, stand up easily, and get in and out of a car? Moreover, is everyone looking at you like you are some kind of freak? As far as a book stopping a knife it probably would, the question is if it is practical.

    This is what Phil should have examined. He does not need, as he puts it a James Bond like testing facility, he just needed build it and try it out. If he had done this, I think that he would have found that it is not comfortable, does not stay in place, and is noticeable under the shirt. So he can bitch and cry all he wants but he published an article on a device that he had not even tried to build or use.

    Moreover, his claim that he knew the article was a fraud is ridiculous. Why would anyone publish an article they know is a fake? How is that laying a trap for Kickcatcher? It is not. He believed that article and in some ways indorsed its practicality by publishing it in his magazine. He was taken two ways. First, by believing something that is completely silly and secondly in that this shows that he does not test, in any way, some of the crap he publishes.
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    Tyler Durden was wrong, Kickcatcher you are a beautiful and unique snowflake. Great article.
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