More circular footwork

**AikiZenDragon** · Posted On: 2/01/2006 4:50pm

finally found the quote i was looking for...

Use progressive resistence. There is no need to go balls out very often. In fact There is a false idea out there that effective training needs to be rough and brutal, and like so many ideas that too is backwards.

God has spoken woe to all heretics and non believers... i declare Jihad!

**BackFistMonkey** · Posted On: 2/01/2006 5:14pm

Originally Posted by AikiZenDragon

finally found the quote i was looking for...

Use progressive resistence. There is no need to go balls out very often. In fact There is a false idea out there that effective training needs to be rough and brutal, and like so many ideas that too is backwards.

God has spoken woe to all heretics and non believers... i declare Jihad!

You should doing stand up hard enough to want to wear a mouth peice and some sort of gloves if it involves striking and head shots . The closer to real you get weather it be the ring or the streets ... the better prepared you will be .

Use common sense and reason before you post a "too deadly , weapons , stomping on faces , broken glass , lava , multiple killers blind siding you , or concrete is hard " type reactions . You should be training safely but as close to what you really want to use your Art for as you can .

If its self defense then you should be getting used to avoiding , redirecting and obsorbing unscripted , full force , (and in most self defense situations unseen ) attacks .

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 2/01/2006 6:25pm

Originally Posted by Phrost

Is it a continuous phenomenon though?

If you define "sparring" based on the level of resistance, contact, and intent/aliveness, then there is a clear line where drilling/whatever ends and sparring begins.

Where?

There are only so many things you can do to prepare for a fight, and some are better than others.

Nonsequitor

It's important to define terms and draw clear distinctions between them in order to identify what's good, and what isn't.

So I'm not sure what you mean. Have the methods for training for a fight changed that much in recorded human history to render invalid any attempts to define terms?

This is a red herring or a strawman. I forget.

Short of plugging your head into a database of fight techniques ala the Matrix, there's not much that's changed in the process. You prepare for a fight by approximating the movements needed to win at various levels of contact with various levels of resistance.

Various and various?
What? Like along a continuum?

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 2/01/2006 6:26pm

Oh, lest ye forget:
9 times out of 10, CMA's suck.

**Omar** · Posted On: 2/01/2006 6:49pm

lol@umpalumpa.

btw,

The end product of that slappy shitty non-hard core sparring. (Tim is the guy on top.)
http://homepage.mac.com/mancheta/.Mo...a6%20throw.mov

But that's ok. Stick with the dogma. It's working for y'all.

**Phrost** · Posted On: 2/01/2006 6:56pm

Originally Posted by UpaLumpa

Where?

Various and various?
What? Like along a continuum?

I just fail to get why you think there's no benefit in defining terms. I could draw a chart, but what's the point of that?

And please tell me how the statement about a limited number of things you can do to successfully prepare for a fight does not follow the discussion. It's directly related... you're either doing something ~~right, or wrong (oh wait, false dichotomy)~~... on a sliding scale of efficiency.

Fighting is a fairly simple athletic activity if you break it down into its root components. As with any other skill, the best way to get good at it by practicing it, over and over.

**losttrak** · Posted On: 2/01/2006 7:53pm

Originally Posted by Phrost

A lot of what we do around here involves defining/redefining terms in order to facilitate objective, clear discussion on the subjects. There is so much bullshit lurking in gray areas in the Martial Arts that it's imperitive that we set a clear understanding of what is what.

There is a difference between demoing, drilling, and sparring. That difference is primarily determined by the level of intensity based on contact and/or resistance.

A demo has no resistance and a variable level of contact.

Drilling may have varying levels of both, but in a set format (as in, "do not progress beyond point X").

Sparring needs to be explicitly defined as full resistance with a significant amount of contact (enough to provide realistic consequences for making mistakes/leaving openings).

Without these clear distinctions, there is "wiggle room" for people to make excuses for using substandard/suboptimal/less than effective training practices and presenting them as on the same footing as good and efficient practices.

So let’s define the terms. Along with the copious amounts of FAQs, why not include the definition of the terminology? That way when someone redefines the terminology, you can simply refer to the Terminology Index.

If you look at every argument on this forum, it generally boils down to a difference in the definition of a particular term. Take that away by providing a framework just like you would utilize technical jargon in a business place. Therefore, people will be held accountable for what they have said since there will be no equivocation or ambiguity in definition.

**Phrost** · Posted On: 2/01/2006 8:22pm

I'd love that. Let's start by defining "sparring".

Thoughts?

**feedback** · Posted On: 2/01/2006 8:31pm

Isolation sparring is where I tell someone that they can only use jab and cross, and their sparring partner can only use hooks. It's simple; you isolate, then you spar. Isolation Sparring :V

**Lights Out** · Posted On: 2/01/2006 8:34pm

Not only a terms FAQ, but also, an article, disclaimer or editorial explaining in detail this site's mission and the general consensus over here would be good too.

Funny thing with "sparring", it is hard to find a nifty definiton to start working with:

http://www.answerbag.com/glossary.php/440

Sparring means training with another person using actual blows

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/sparring

making the motions of attack and defense with the fists and arms; a part of training for a boxer

I´m not good at making definitions, but I´ll give it a try:

Sparring: A training protocol in martial arts and combat sports which consist in the actual and no predetermined exchange of blows and/or application of grappling techniques under a determined ruleset with a variable level of contact and with the intent of succed in said application. It´s purpose is to test and develop fighting skills in a no-compliant environment.

Well, at least is something to start with.