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  1. Omar is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    Compliant partner? Check.
    Little to no force/resistance? Check.
    Crossing the feet when stepping backwards? Check.
    Limp-wristed clinch work? Check.
    Slap-happy hand holding? Check.
    Partner assisted Martial Masturbation? Check.

    Adding to the credibility of the Chinese Martial Arts? Fail.

    What were you trying to accomplish here?



    There's sparring in that clip? If that's how you define sparring no fucking wonder you can't grasp the concept of aliveness.
    That's about as "live" as it gets. It was a technical drill, light roushou (not sparring, a drill) with the emphasis on technique. I'd say you were wrong on all counts except for the foot crossing and there's nothing wrong with that either. You get bonus points for ridiculing a BJJ blue.... I have to pm him actually as I think he got his purple a few months back. Instructor is a BJJ black belt although the drill in question is a bagua thing as that is what the instructor does best.

    Thanks for playing.
    Last edited by Omar; 1/31/2006 10:37pm at .
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  2. Omar is offline

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    Found it.

    He's a BJJ purple belt.

    It's nice to have Phrost on record ridiculing a BJJ guy as a limp wristed slappy compliant partner training fairy for a change.
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    Thank you Ryanand, just what i was getting at... 'some' people get all worked up over words...
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    Even if you tripled the speed of that clip, it couldn't be called sparring. It's a drill, an interesting drill, but in the end, just a drill. At best it's a drill to practice your reaction to a series of random motions. But few if any of those motions were serious punches or kicks, they were mostly random, without meaning, intent or targeting.
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    A.) if Rickson Gracie was doing the same **** he'd get the same ridicule. Being good at BJJ (grappling range of MA) doesn't give you a pass on doing stupid **** in the striking range, or anything else. It just means you know what you're talking about when it comes to grappling.

    B.) Who says it's not a bad thing to cross your feet when you're in striking range and backing up? That's one of the first things you learn when it comes to good footwork.

    C.) Wikipedia has more martial arts bullshit on it than you'd find in 1000 Kung Fu flicks. It's an ongoing problem that we're trying to rectify. But still, my point about the focus mits stands.

    Seriously Omar, what's the point in you being here? You obviously don't get the core concepts this site espouses and have no intention of trying to grasp them, as demonstrated by you posting that video in a positive context.

    Again, if you think that's sparring then you have no fucking clue what sparring is.
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    Those aren't students of Tim Cartmell, are they?
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    Looks more like a flow drill rather than sparring.

    But why are you guys pissed off?
    They can call it what they want, technical sparring, light sparring, light sparring LITE...

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  8. Omar is offline

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    Yep. BJJ blackbelt.

    A.) if Rickson Gracie was doing the same **** he'd get the same ridicule.

    He wouldn't and you know it. People would be dying to figure out what the hell was up and would generally assume that if Rickson was presenting it in a positive light then they must be missing somthing. Everyone might not agree in the end but that quote up there of yours is one of the most disengenuous things I have ever seen you post.

    B.) Who says it's not a bad thing to cross your feet when you're in striking range and backing up? That's one of the first things you learn when it comes to good footwork.

    A lot of people. I'll say it right off the bat. Crossing your legs is a throwing no no. No big deal for striking. It's only one of the first thing you learn in Muay Thai and a few other styles. Your tunnel vision is showing.

    Seriously Omar, what's the point in you being here? You obviously don't get the core concepts this site espouses and have no intention of trying to grasp them, as demonstrated by you posting that video in a positive context.

    So the core soncept is to close your eyes and plug your ears, stifle discussion and keep telling yourself that you already know everything? Hmm....and here I thought full contact competition was the proof. The school that teaches that particular method has a solid track record in all sorts of fighting contexts. Tim Cartnell has placed in the pan-ams and is a real live BJJ black belt. You can have one of your Bullies go look him up somehwere.

    So apparently despite training fighters to fight successfully in MMA, holding a BJJ blackbelt, and even sponsoring full contact tournaments in LA it's bullshido because Phrost doesn't understand what is going on.

    This place has really taken a turn for the worse and the emperor has no clothes and apparently has trouble with English as well.

    Again, if you think that's sparring then you have no fucking clue what sparring is.
    Compare the above sentence with this other quote:

    It was a technical drill, light roushou (not sparring, a drill) with the emphasis on technique.
    Not the use of the word "not" in front of the word "sparring".

    Knee jerk much?
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  9. Omar is offline

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    http://www.shenwu.com/discus/messages/24/1415.jpg

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    http://www.onthemat.com/Images/pan-a...3/panam03.html

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    Brown belts Rommel Dunbar and Tim Cartmell were on another mat and it was Rommel that pulled guard and Tim having to work to pass his guard. Rommel is working from his back and sweeps Tim over and almost gets caught in an armbar but after freeing himself from the armbar he works himself to half guard. Tim gets a sweep and puts Rommel on his back. Rommel and Tim got stood up due to inactivity. Tim pulls guard and gets a sweep on Rommel to put himself ahead and win the match at 4x2. This will be another rematch to watch for.


    Tim Cartmell and James Tanaka met up in the finals for the brown belt division and this battle had both guys even on advantages, as they both were busy looking for submissions and sweeps. In the end though is where Tim came through with attempting a crazy foot lock and almost had it, James defended and while he was defending he got swept over and Tim got the tie breaking lead of 2,2 x 0,2.


    But don't bother with the competition results. I'm sure he's an idiot and doesn't know what he's doing or how to train.
    Last edited by Omar; 1/31/2006 11:24pm at .
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    I do similar drills during my muay thai class from time to time. I wouldn't call it "sparring", but I might call it a "sparring drill". Definitely not a replacement for sparring, but I think it's helped me work on certain areas.

    edit: and when I say similar drills, I don't mean the technique, or the sticky hands or the funky footwork (just to make that clear)
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