1/29/2006 11:58pm, #31Originally Posted by Lights Out
Rolling under punches = when someone throws a hook, you roll evade it by rolling under and outside the punch.
1/30/2006 12:01am, #32Originally Posted by Kidspatula
I beleived you were making a difference between two ways of rolling punches when you actually get hit.
1/30/2006 12:07am, #33Originally Posted by Lights Out
No worries. The whole turning your head away with the punch thing is so amazingly stupid it hurts my head. Not only is keeping your neck loose (and chin up!?) going to make it easier to get knocked out, but turning your head away is REALLY going to get you knocked out (hence the old addage "the hit that hurts in the one you don't see coming").
1/30/2006 12:14am, #34Originally Posted by Kidspatula
Not to mention that if we take just two examples of each, we get:
a) Mohammed Ali used to roll punches.
b) Marvin Hagler (God, I love this guy) had a bullīs neck, always tight, very good chin.
Iīll take b).
Not to mention that if thereīs a benefity in rolling punches, in order to do it you have to keep your neck loose. Just imagine the reflexes it takes to roll a punch (and no, getting yopur head waiving because of the punch does not count).
Yeah, forget the rolling with the punches thing in mi first? post on this thread.
1/30/2006 12:16am, #35Originally Posted by Lights Out
I really wouldn't recommend trying to box like Muhammud Ali. He used some really risky strategies that required AMAZING amounts of talent to pull off.
1/30/2006 12:20am, #36Originally Posted by Kidspatula
Anyway, itīs funny how some noobies try the Ali footwork and low guard in sparring... usually, only once.
1/30/2006 12:24am, #37Originally Posted by Lights Out
1/30/2006 12:28am, #38Originally Posted by Kidspatula
When I was doing kickboxingm, we were taught to roll under hooks, but when the Thai instructor came, he told us that that was ill-advised, for the same reason you posted.
He also was trying to teach us a kinda weird footwork which is a little hard for me to explain in english at this moment. Anyway, with said footwork, you were always moving, forward, or backwrads, but always moving. With every hit there was a step, and you always evaded punches by stepping backwards, not rolling.
1/30/2006 12:35am, #39Originally Posted by Lights Out
The footwork thing you're talking about sounds similar to something we learned not long ago in boxing (though I'm sure the actual footwork is totally different). You sort of shuffle your feet, pointing them sideways and jabbing and pointing them forwardish and throwing a cross, and with each movement you'd either go forward or backward. The idea was, instead of just flatout retreating or rushing in, you'd move in a way which was conducive to simultaneously throwing a strike.
1/30/2006 12:44am, #40
Iīll try to explain the footwork, but I donīt promise I can make a decent and coherent explanationa t this time (6:40 in the morning, been working since 00:00 and woke uo since yesterday at 15:00, more or less).
The footwork goes more or less like this, youīre feet are always one flat on the ground, and the other on the heel, always alternating them in a fast pace.
If you were to throw a jab-cross combination, you should a) step with your front foot, landin the jab at the same time your foot hits the ground, and then step with your rear foot, same as above. The lenght of the step always depending on the distance from the target, of course.
The point is that you have to move forwrd to hit, or backwards, but no staying in the same spot exchanging punches... or so I think, the instructor only spoke poor english (poorer than mine, even), and couldnīt explain himself too much.
In kickboxing we used to step in with the jab, throw or combination and step out, usually with a left hook to "cover" our retreat.