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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Spaulding
    What do you mean?
    I meant exactly that. What kind of Taekwondo are you talking about?
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    I've only ever come across one TKD school where the students looked to me like they were doing Shotokan Karate (I should have been more specific before). This is out of 30-something schools that I've visited.

    That is to say, the students at that one school were doing their techniques in a manner consistent with videos and films I've seen of Shotokan students.

    I've seen films and videos of TKD students and demos from the 50s, 60s, and 70s and during that time (especially the earlier parts), what they are doing looks more to me like Shotokan than TKD students and demos that I see now.

    What I mean is that, by and large, TKD and Shotokan no longer have the same feel about them, where they once looked fairly similar.
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    Almost every style of TKD's forms still look like karate. Not Shotokan. Just karate.
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    Yes, the forms are very similar, especially the ITF forms (hell, from what I can tell, TSD forms ARE Shotokan forms). But what I see as a difference is the way the techniques in the forms are performed.

    Watching Shotokan, I get the impression that the moves are done with very small, fast, almost clipped motion. By this, I mean that when a person does a block, it seems that most of the motion and power comes from the arm.

    From almost all the TKD Iíve seen, the way the moves are done goes to the other extreme. Often, people use too much body motion without a focus at the end of the technique. Honestly, to me it sometimes looks sloppy. But even when the techniques are very focused, there seems to be much more emphasis on putting bodyweight into techniques than I see with Shotokan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Spaulding
    Yes, the forms are very similar, especially the ITF forms (hell, from what I can tell, TSD forms ARE Shotokan forms). But what I see as a difference is the way the techniques in the forms are performed.

    Watching Shotokan, I get the impression that the moves are done with very small, fast, almost clipped motion. By this, I mean that when a person does a block, it seems that most of the motion and power comes from the arm.

    From almost all the TKD Iíve seen, the way the moves are done goes to the other extreme. Often, people use too much body motion without a focus at the end of the technique. Honestly, to me it sometimes looks sloppy. But even when the techniques are very focused, there seems to be much more emphasis on putting bodyweight into techniques than I see with Shotokan.
    That just makes it a different style of karate from Shotokan...not a different art all together...
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    The 2 first TKD forms are the same as the Kyokushin 2 first katas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canuckyokushin
    The 2 first TKD forms are the same as the Kyokushin katas.
    Possibly...again depending on what kind of TKD you're referring to.
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    There was a friend of one of my class mates who came and took a class.He performed the first and second forms with us.I think he said he was with the Olympic TKD group.Which ever that one is?
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    That just makes it a different style of karate from Shotokan...not a different art all together...
    Oh thank god. I thought you were going to go off about Gen Choi's claim that all TKD except for the ITF are really Karate and not TKD at all. It makes my head hurt.

    So what is the Korean meaning "Way of the Chinese Hand"?
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    唐手道/당수도/Dangsoodo can be read as China Hand Way. Okinawan karate.

    空手道/공수도/Kongsoodo is read as Empty Hand Way. Japanese Karate.

    跆拳道/태권도 would be the Korean outgrowth of the two.

    Gross oversimplification yes, but that's the jist of it.
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