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  1. Gumby is offline

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    Posted On:
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     Style: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by konosan
    Hmm! So why not call it Brazilian Judo instead of Ju-jutsu.

    Count Maeda, who was the one the Gracies trace their lineage to, was a student of Kano's, but he was also a Japanese Ju Jitsu student as well (as many of the people in the young Kodakan were at the time).

    Due to the bad image JJJ got from street brawls and such (and in an attempt to restore the image of martial arts in Japan) Kano deemed challenge matches illegal in Judo.

    As a result, when Maeda would fight, he would claim his style to be Ju Jitsu as opposed to Judo. The Brazilians spelled it Jiu Jitsu because of a mis translation. Even after this was figured to be incorrect, they kept the spelling for traditions sake.
  2. KhorneliusPraxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumby
    Count Maeda, who was the one the Gracies trace their lineage to, was a student of Kano's, but he was also a Japanese Ju Jitsu student as well (as many of the people in the young Kodakan were at the time).

    Due to the bad image JJJ got from street brawls and such (and in an attempt to restore the image of martial arts in Japan) Kano deemed challenge matches illegal in Judo.

    As a result, when Maeda would fight, he would claim his style to be Ju Jitsu as opposed to Judo. The Brazilians spelled it Jiu Jitsu because of a mis translation. Even after this was figured to be incorrect, they kept the spelling for traditions sake.
    I wonder who is responsible for the mistranslation of the word "kimono."
  3. DCS is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhorneliusPraxx
    I wonder who is responsible for the mistranslation of the word "kimono."
    ??

    Kimono (Japanese: 着物): literally "something worn", i.e., "clothes".
  4. MuKen is offline

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    Posted On:
    1/26/2006 1:30pm


     Style: BJJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by konosan
    Hmm! So why not call it Brazilian Judo instead of Ju-jutsu.
    They both descend from Ju-jutsu. The whole reason for using "do" (way of life) instead of "jutsu" (technique) was because the founder wanted to teach personal and moral character in addition to martial skills.

    Since Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu does not do this, I think it would be quite stupid to call it Brazilian Judo. Furthermore, ever since Judo became a sport, most Judo classes don't really spend any time teaching such things either, so really, they should also change their name back to Ju-jutsu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuKen
    Furthermore, ever since Judo became a sport, most Judo classes don't really spend any time teaching such things either, so really, they should also change their name back to Ju-jutsu.
    Good point. Let me bring this up with the IJF, I think there should't be much opposition.
    The hardest part is going to be to change all the stationery and patches.

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  6. JohnnyFive is offline

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     Style: Judo/BJJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuKen
    They both descend from Ju-jutsu. The whole reason for using "do" (way of life) instead of "jutsu" (technique) was because the founder wanted to teach personal and moral character in addition to martial skills.

    Since Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu does not do this, I think it would be quite stupid to call it Brazilian Judo. Furthermore, ever since Judo became a sport, most Judo classes don't really spend any time teaching such things either, so really, they should also change their name back to Ju-jutsu.
    I was under the impression that Kano felt that people were improved by learning Judo because of the whole having to help one another to gain proficiency thing, not that people would be improved by "Instead of uchimata, today we will study how to become a more awesome person."

    Also I am delighted to learn that the "I don't like Judo because they have that rule about not jumping to guard 'cause they just couldn't handle the power of BJJ" people consider Judo stalling.
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