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  1. Fantasy Warrior is offline
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    This guy at least skirts around some sensible points which demonstrate that he is not completely ignorant on the issues.
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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    Quote Originally Posted by StreetOnly
    I am sure this idea has been beaten to death, but no matter how much you want to deny it, BJJ does not work against multiple attackers! And 99% of the time, you won't be attacked by ONE person.
    Plus, if you go to the ground, you risk rolling on the lava or the broken glass! Then where are you?

    As I believe has been pointed out about a gazillion times, the most effective training in dealing with multiple attackers is track and field. If you're really worried about it, work on your sprinting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagon Akujin
    One point that should get brought up before this goes too far is that most trained grappling (even BJJ) against an untrained opponent is not a waiting game like how it is normally seen. A skilled BJJ fighter would probably not wrestle around on the ground so much as go for a quick arm-break manuver or mount. A skilled BJJ fighter would (maybe should) have ended that fight in about 5-10 seconds.

    I mean, that's like saying that boxing is not street effective because no street fight goes 12 rounds of 3-minutes each, and even in that first 3 minutes from friends will jump in. A boxer will ****-up and knock out an untrained opponent much more quickly, and be able to take enough damage to possibly knock-out some of his friends as well.

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    Its silly to assume a grappler approaches a real fight just like a match. Hell even in a match they try to end it as quickly as possible but pitting two trained fighters against each other thats not likely to happen.

    Also Grappling teaches to DEFEND being taking down. If you practice to defend against skilled pple then someone less skilled isn't going to have an easy time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickcatcher
    Which is least good for learning self-defence -

    A) A typical BJJ club
    B) A typical WTF Tae Kwon Do club
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    We established long ago that WTF TKD is not about self-defense and all about the chicks.

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    Usually before a big UFC ppv, UFC Unleashed will showcase matches of the main eventers leading up to the ppv. When Chuck was going to face Horn, Unleashed showed a bunch of Chuck's earlier fights. Same with Randy. Same with Franklin.

    I wonder, leading up to the Hughes/Gracie match if they are going to do the same thing. I'd love to see some of the old Royce Gracie matches on tv since finding those tapes at Blockbuster isn't easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grashnak
    As I believe has been pointed out about a gazillion times, the most effective training in dealing with multiple attackers is track and field. If you're really worried about it, work on your sprinting.
    That, and keeping your mouth shut.

    Don't talk crap, and run, best street advice not taught in any martial art schools.
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    StreetOnly, your original post made mention of some positive aspects of the applicability of ground fighting (I assume you mean grappling orientated sport groundfighting like in BJJ/Sombo/Judo etc) but calls bullshido on the marketing.

    Do you have any examples of this poor marketting. Where a dedicated grappling club makes claims that the optimum strategy for self-defence is to actively seek a ground fight, then I and most here would agree that that is faulty logic.

    BUT, is the problem of the faulty advertising as widespread as your post suggests -or ate you just falling foul of the general anti-grappling loby who tend to over-emphasise the perceieved weaknesses of grappling and write posts remarkably like yours?
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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    Quote Originally Posted by kickcatcher
    A) A typical BJJ club
    B) A typical WTF Tae Kwon Do club
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    Quote Originally Posted by StreetOnly
    Two wrongs don't make a right.
    That was just stupid.
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    Don't talk crap, and run, best street advice not taught in any martial art schools.
    Good advice, along with the age old "if you do have to hit someone, make sure you hit them bloody hard". But are you sure NO martial arts schools teach that? Not even yours?
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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    Quote Originally Posted by kickcatcher
    Do you have any examples of this poor marketting.
    Mostly online chats with BJJers. A few BJJ instructors that I've talk to, but I will not release anyone's name here, I don't think that is nesseccery.
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