Calling bullshido on ground fighting teachers.

**Duker63** · Posted On: 1/27/2006 12:35am

I was surfing and I came across this site. My daughter just got her yellow in Tae Kwon Do. Any how. My 2 cents.
I wrestled in grade and high schoool. Boxed for 4 years amateur then i got into tae kwon do. I have never lost a fight but once, and it was getting the **** kicked out of me while i was on the ground disabling a miscreant who tried nun chucks on me. While I had him in a choke hold. 1 or 2 people Literally kicked the **** out of me. And to this day i dont know who it is.

I now have a black belt in smith and wesson .40. Hopefully concealed carry will pass this month where i live. Im not a ***** with a gun Im just a guy getting to old to get into street fights any more

**AikiZenDragon** · Posted On: 1/27/2006 1:03am

yeah duker it seems too few of the posters on this forum have experienced the bad end of the street fight lucky for them... a similar experience in junior high got me started in MA in the first place...

**martialfiend** · Posted On: 1/27/2006 6:33am

Originally Posted by AikiZenDragon

yeah duker it seems too few of the posters on this forum have experienced the bad end of the street fight lucky for them... a similar experience in junior high got me started in MA in the first place...

I'm sure you can pick up some good tips at a wrestling school.

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 1/27/2006 6:38am

I taught a friend the most basic takedown, mount, punch, armbar, and he successfully used it, with broken glass on the floor, and broke the guys arm. And there were a bunch of people standing around, who did nothing about it. Then he left, end of story.

Grappling does work, on broken glass, in front of a crowd of potential multiple attackers.

**Locu5** · Posted On: 1/27/2006 7:02am

But can an armbar travel faster than the speed of gravity?

**vladoshi** · Posted On: 1/27/2006 8:48am

The guy I got my "favourite quote" below off worked with a bjj local champ, and on his first inexperienced night, was called outside to find the bjj guy had locked up the drunk, who also had him had also locked him up too. The lifter had to lift them both up and drop them to separate them before others could gang up on the other bouncer. It restrained but did not neutralise. But I suspect this misses the important point that at any time the bjj bouncer could of snapped his attacker's wrist/elbow/shoulder joint. He was easily traceable and did not need the court case for GBH over his head.

**Duker63** · Posted On: 1/27/2006 9:40am

I'm sure you can pick up some good tips at a wrestling school.

First part of wrestling is learning take downs, the goal is to make your opponent submit. I got into a lot of fights.Using just what i learned in wrestling i always one.
But I also invariably got some damage before i got to the ground and pound stage
(or my favorite putting my leg into the back of a guys knee and then bending his leg over mine)

But i learned my lesson when i got into a fight with a guy with chucks (joey Oric)
I had him on the ground as was severly schooling him. 1 or 2 guys said " oh looky here its duke" and literally kicked the **** out of me. I dont to this day know who it was or whether it was one or both of them pounding on me.

As far as BJJ ala hoyce gracie, I would rather have dan severn on my side in a fight than hoyce gracie. And one more thing life isnt fair. If your on the ground doing something on one of my freinds im going Pele on your head with my steel toed tennis shoes. (im a machinist i wear them at work and play)

Reference to Pele'
Pelé
He dominated soccer for two decades with a passion matched only by that of his fans throughout the world

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 1/27/2006 9:46am

But can an armbar travel faster than the speed of gravity?

Your effort + gravity = yes.

**Tom Kagan** · Posted On: 1/27/2006 10:23am

Originally Posted by Kidspatula

NERDS!!

LOL. It gets better. In high school, this is what I looked like. I'm the one on the right.

Okay, that's not me. But, at that age (15), the resemblence was absolutely uncanny. For the next ten years after that movie came out, I was mistaken for him every time that movie (and also Meatballs) was shown on cable.

So, shut'yo'mout, kid, before I send my bodyguard after you. :smile:

**Pandinha** · Posted On: 1/27/2006 10:30am

Originally Posted by Tom Kagan

LOL. It gets better. In high school, this is what I looked like. I'm the one on the right.

Okay, that's not me. But, at that age (15), the resemblence was absolutely uncanny. For the next ten years after that movie came out, I was mistaken for him every time that movie (and also Meatballs) was shown on cable.

So, shut'yo'mout, kid, before I send my bodyguard after you. :smile:

My bodyguard was a great movie.