Thread: The Counter-Kimura
1/23/2006 10:45pm, #1
This is a simple, and incredibly useful way to submit an opponent who is trying to submit you with a kimura from the bottom of half-guard.
To set the stage: Your opponent has a kimura set up :ohyeah:
Grab your leg, and start to get your kimuraed shoulder towards the ground to stop the lock from being cranked. Reach your other arm through, and grab your kimuraed arm's hand in a monkey grip (thumbs pointing in opposing directions). Try and get your kimuraed shoulder to the ground, and pull up with your other arm.
If done right, your opponent should be (verbally) tapping in short order.
1/23/2006 10:49pm, #2
This is a great escape if you can get it soon enough (you've probably lost it if your arm can't reach your leg to defend). Most people will be able to struggle out of the submission but it's still a possible and poses a threat.
1/23/2006 11:46pm, #3
Here's a little trick for the guy on bottom:
I actually go for kimuras from underneath half guard, but for a different reason than getting the sub: I do a sweep/roll from there.
Basically, kimura whichever arm you can reach (this must be tight, because the sweep has a lot of risk inherent to it), then drop your half guard and spin around to basically put yourself in north south. You spin in the opposite direction of whichever arm you have the kimura on: if you have the left arm, spin clockwise. Right arm, go counterclockwise. YOUR OPPONENT MUST BE BROKEN DOWN FOR THIS TECHNIQUE TO WORK.
Then, once you've arrived in this north/south position, immediately roll to whichever side you have the kimura slapped on. You can sit up and finish from here, or just take north/south and go from there.
Warning: This is not the best technique in the world, but I have used it for about a year with a lot of success when nothing else is working, and have put plenty of blues/purples in north south with this sweep. There are, however, counters for it, and I have been taught them.
The "tricks" to this tech:
1.) The technique is totally unexpected. Who puts himself in north south from half guard?
2.) You must spin as fast as you can. A fast spin does not allow time for the opponent to react.
3.) If you don't have the opponent's base broken down with the kimura, do not attempt this technique. If he somehow manages to sit up and get a wide base, you are fucked, as you have just put yourself into a bad spot.
As far as I can recall, I have never been countered when using this technique, but it is really not the best jiu-jitsu in the world, and I only resort to using it when I just can't get anything else from half guard to work. So use it at your own risk you jackals.
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1/24/2006 2:56am, #4Originally Posted by omega
Edit: Maybe some pictures would help?
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1/24/2006 6:05am, #5
I've never actually had anyone go for an inverted armbar on me from here, so I'm honestly unsure as to how I'd react.
Before I attempt to counter your e-grappling (I like the idea, btw.), one question:
Have I caught hold of my leg before you've let go of the kimura and gone after the defensive arm?
1/24/2006 9:00am, #6
omega, are you doing the kimura on the arm on the side of the trapped leg or the far one?
1/24/2006 9:06am, #7
I'm pretty sure it has to be the far side, but I just wanted to ask to make sure everyone was on track. So no, I don't think you're coming at this wrong.
1/24/2006 12:43pm, #8Originally Posted by omega
Edit: I like the idea, by the way.
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1/24/2006 1:39pm, #9
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1/24/2006 2:45pm, #10
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I prefer to counter kimura attempts from half guard by escaping and using your opponents grips against him to set up an armbar counter.
If you're trying to visualize what Im talking about, just watch the Hughes St Pierre fight- St Pierre was going for kimuras from bottom half guard every time he was there. Finally, in the closing seconds, Hughes was able to escape from half guard and pull this submission off beautifully.