Posted On:1/23/2006 7:53am
In bujinkan I was taught not to slap and to take the fall with your body, or use the legs. (sorry, can't explain verbally how to do it.) In the judo and BJJ circles slapping is the standard procedure for ukemi. I am taught to slap in BJJ when being taken down like this:
but so far I have not noticed any significant difference, which makes me tend towards not slapping. Only one time I felt it helped when someone caught my kick and launched me backwards during bujinkan, I instinctivly did a double slap when my back hit the gound and it felt like it helped soften the fall. Like this:
(The instructor joked about it as the bujinkan sensei out there take a dim view of slapping.) During wrestling (through my shooto and grappling classes) no mention has been made of slapping, IIRC I don't believe wrestlers slap.
What are people's views on the slap vs no slap? Has anyone here had the chance to compare? Is there any evidence that favours slapping? What about lava?
We do have this one in the bujinkan, it is sort of a slap.
Posted On:1/23/2006 9:38am
In Judo you learn to slap, I think it has something to do with dissipating part of the energy and redirecting it to the floor or something, it's pretty much instinct by now, I don't even think about it.
Posted On:1/23/2006 10:01am
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Posted On:1/23/2006 1:44pm
I don't think it really matters if you slap or not on the mat. Most of us can take a pretty hard fall on a mat and get up no problem, so for sport the slap isn't as much of an issue, I can attest to a slap helping while ice skating. Concrete, hard ground, ice... I'd recommend a slap over non-slap, competition on mats it doesn't matter much (prolly why never taught in wrestling) but if you don't practice it, you won't do it reflexivly.
Ukemi is my most used of any martial arts technique I have ever learned. Maybe I'm just a klutz. I'm sure it has saved me more bodily injury than anything else. Including a nasty spill from a motorcycle accident, tuck and roll..... but in that one at that speed there was no slap, just my body bouncing repeatedly and trying to stay relaxed.
So for the record, slap, maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't, but it doesn't do you any additional harm.
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Posted On:1/23/2006 2:00pm
Style: _razilian _iu _itsu
It's all fun and games until someone breaks an arm...
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Posted On:1/23/2006 2:22pm
Style: MMA, JKD philosophy
I'm doing the booj again right now, and I'm changing my Shooto slappy breakfalls into the no slappers the Ninjas use. It's quieter 'cause you don't smack the ground or mat. Ninjutsu is a stealth based art, afterall. That's the only reason. Well, that and hitting concrete (and the mythical lava, glass, etc.) hurts.
Posted On:1/23/2006 2:25pm
Style: Bits and pieces
There are times when it comes in handy, I was watching a Judo comp recently and a guy stuck his arms out and nearly broke one instead of break-falling.
Posted On:1/23/2006 2:32pm
Yeah, you see skateboarders and BMXers get their skinny forearms snapped sticking them out to catch themselves all the time. In the booj we're supposed to tuck really tight in the roll, that's the crux of the technique.
Posted On:1/23/2006 2:34pm
Style: Boxing/Muay Thai/JJJ
I have slipped on ice before and literally saved myself from getting KTFO by slapping and tucking my chin.
Another time I kicked the heavy bag when there was water on the concrete floor. I slipped and fell right on my back. The funny part is, I slapped the ground with my left hand instinctively, but my right hand did not hit properly and that side of my body hurt somewhat. This is most likely due to the fact that most people throw you right handed, so you would break your fall with your left.
I don't think it's a matter of slapping the ground, however. It's a matter of dispersing the force all over your body to avoid injury in one place (for instance, if you bend your elbow while doing a break fall, you could screw up your shoulder).
Posted On:1/23/2006 3:08pm
Originally Posted by bad credit
Yeah, you see skateboarders and BMXers get their skinny forearms snapped sticking them out to catch themselves all the time.
Yes sticking your arm out to catch yourself is a dumb idea, but that isn't what we are talking about, we are talking about slapping during a ukimi to disapate force. You do not catch or brace yourself with that arm, that gets them broke.
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