Shotokan vs Capoeira

**DCS** · Posted On: 1/20/2006 2:40pm

Shotokan practitioner challenged by Capoeiristas while working in Brazil (about 1955-1958).

During his stay in São Paulo, Harada also discovered the Brazilian fighting art of capoeira. One day, a supposed friend brought a senior practitioner to Harada’s dojo. Unbeknown to Harada, this was to be a challenge. Luckily, one of Harada’s students had overheard the two men’s intentions, and informed Harada of them. Harada, now aware of the situation, stepped up the intensity of the practice, which was being watched by his potential challenger. Then, at the end of the lesson applied a little more psychology, approaching the capoeirista saying he would accept a challenge at anytime when offered. But the professor of capoeira declined and never returned.

On another occasion, however, a challenge was offered. This was at the University of Rio de Janeiro, and this time it was accepted. Harada later explained that his opponent used the tempo of the music to breathe, so Harada advanced each time he inhaled, eventually driving the capoerista into a corner. Then he showed a technique that clearly would have ended matters, but did not go through with it so that the man did not lose face. Nevertheless, these encounters with that energetic and acrobatic Brazilian art, with its wide-ranging sweeping and spinning leg movements, led Harada to revise his own practice. For one thing, he thought it necessary to become far more mobile and adaptable than he had previously deemed acceptable. Harada Sensei was beginning to develop his own "way," shaped by his experiences.

http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_declaire_0402.htm

**chaosexmachina** · Posted On: 1/21/2006 1:39am

When two crappy martial arts face off, there can only be...

... disaster!!

**AAAhmed46** · Posted On: 1/21/2006 1:47am

What were the rules of the fight?

Was there clinching allowed? Grappling? What was thier set up?

**CanucKyokushin** · Posted On: 1/21/2006 8:52am

So far it seems the only rule set was psychological warfare.

**CanucKyokushin** · Posted On: 1/21/2006 8:55am

No matter who's bio you read.No matter what style he may be from.Whetheer its a modern or TMA.There is always some story of a challenge match that took place.Have any of you guy's read Blooming's bio?

**DCS** · Posted On: 1/21/2006 9:22am

Originally Posted by Canuckyokushin

So far it seems the only rule set was psychological warfare.

It seems Capoeira won.

A guy, named Dajmir Pinatti, was a Harada student (claims to be first south american Karate BB) and he switched to capoeira under Master Bimba.

(i only have found info about Pinatti in Italian and in Portuguese)

I haven`t found capoeiristas who switched to karate.

**Lights Out** · Posted On: 1/21/2006 1:02pm

Of course:

Capoeira gets you more chicks

It´s better for conditioning and overall fitness.

It´s as usefull as krotty when it comes to fighting.

**Chance** · Posted On: 1/21/2006 2:59pm

I heard a story from a Brazilian Capoeirista, there was a challenge to some famous Capoeirista by a Japanese Jujitsu player. The Capoeira guy was worried because he didn't know how to deal with the grapling style so before the match he was chewing a lot of chewing tobacco, when they bowed he gobbed it into the face of the Japanese bloke and gave him a good shoeing.

I have no idea if this story is true, I don't know when it took place or who the fighters were.

P.S. i'm not a fan of Capoeira as a legitimate martial art.

**chaosexmachina** · Posted On: 1/21/2006 10:51pm

Hah, that's one bad ass capoeirista... CHAW SPEW ATTACK!!1

**Lights Out** · Posted On: 1/21/2006 11:23pm

well, according to a webpage I read once, when researching info on Capoeira, they said that, in its time, capoerists were known to be quite the brawlers and gansta-like people. Often getting in knife fights and criminal activities and such.