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    alot of people credit Royce gracie for making submissions popular. Alot of people forget that Ken Shamrock was there, in the first ufc's, tapping people out too.

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    I'm with TBK. "Everyone taking BJJ" is hyperbole. What's the ratio of people taking BJJ after UFC 1 versus before? I bet you it's pretty big.

    And while BJJ might be the most talked-about martial art in regards to the UFC, I've never met anyone in studying BJJ that didn't respect other grappling arts. There's always something to learn from Sambo, Judo, or any of the wrestling styles.

    When the UFC was a style-versus-style deal, people would always talk about "bjj is better than wrestling..." and so forth. But now that it's more MMA-oriented, I think there's more emphasis on whatever works for you, regardless of where it came from.

    And as people get more and more into that mindset, I think they end up focussing on what the different grappling arts have in common rather than their differences.

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    Not where I live. Judo, Shootfighting, and Shoot Wrestling (both Catch-based, not BJJ) were the choices for grappling in my hometown, no BJJ, and only two choices for MMA. I chose Shootfighting, considering it was a block from my house, and Judo was 4 blocks, and I think the other place 6 or 8, too far for my taste anyway.

    So that's where my MMA comes from, Japan, not Brazil, there is a difference in emphasis.
    -OK, then I'll phrase it this way...
    Whining about it won't change the fact that BJJ put MMA on the map for the vast majority of people and places. You are in a very tiny minority.

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    That's overstating your case, I think. Ken Shamrock put MMA on the map as much as Royce Gracie, just by being in the WWF.

    That isn't to say he's as important to the formation of the UFC, or any of that, but once the promotion was started, he was there, and he did as much to promote it as any single BJJ guy.

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    I don't get mad at TV people. I pitty them.
    Rogan is just whoring for attention and BJJ seems to work for him right now. Once that gets old he'll be whoring with something else. That has little to do with BJJ.
    I train with all kind of grapplers. And while there's always the style-vs-style rivalry, it is usually very rational.
    It's just TV and internet that is polarizing things.

    Tomas

    PS: I finnaly manned up and went to judo after I've seen Royce at the early UFCs, so there's credit to be given...
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    Rogan is just a whore for BJJ, it isn't for attention, he has been doing it a long time and really likes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoninPimp
    -OK, then I'll phrase it this way...
    Whining about it won't change the fact that BJJ put MMA on the map for the vast majority of people and places. You are in a very tiny minority.
    RoninPimp is t3h corr3ct.
    And I think a part of it was the style and a good part of it was the Brazillian "machismo" that came with the style. The style worked for the insiders and the machismo worked for the masses.

    Tomas
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    I didn't think Royce Gracie was cool for being "macho", I thought he was cool because he WASN'T and beat the guys who WERE.

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    Brazillian machismo = being cool.
    American machismo = being cocky.
    Eastern European machismo = being slightly drunk.

    Tomas
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    I agree, BJJ may get more credit than it deserves, but it did help get grappling out to the masses.
    For my grappling, I've only ever done BJJ, but I'd love to branch out and learn some sambo takedowns (I don't know much about sambo, but the russian at our club excels at takedowns), wrestling and judo for takedowns with and without gi, as well as positioning. And so on.
    I'm new to grappling, and I think I'm pretty open minded. I doubt I'm the only one.

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