1/20/2006 9:43am, #1
Joe Rogan can sit and spin *We didn't all take BJJ
:flipando: I hate getting into this because it always turns out wrong. Before we begin let it be known I don't hate BJJ. What I do hate is all the fucking BJJ nutriders like Joe Rogan. :homo: I finally saw his interview with Royce Gracie last night on a rerun of Ultimate Fight Night 3.
"after UFC everybody went out and learned BJJ":new_cussi
I think the better phrase here would've been everybody saw the benefits of grappling. A lot of us other grapplers take offense to this, even if I do stand alone. It'd be like calling a Korean 'Japanese'. Huge slap in the face. From my stand point I've worked out with many BJJ practitioners. I've been offered rank in BJJ. I've learned a lot of good tactics from BJJ but I've also seen the benefits wrestling, SAMBO, and sports Judo have had on BJJ.
I jokingly sigh every time I work out with guys from the local BJJ schools, it used to be so easy to even tap out a BJJ blackbelt when they didn't know the leg locks and neck cranks. Of course that was about 8 years ago, now everybody knows the best tactics from each different grappling art. I see BJJ guys training in Judo, SAMBO and Wrestling learning leg locks, throws, and neck manipulations. I see wrestlers learning the guard game. I see Judoka learning the ground game better, and I see SAMBOist learning to be less agro with there submission and learn to be a bit more concerned about position.
I know for a fact Gene Lebell was ripping guys apart with his grappling years before BJJ became the dominate form of grappling. Shootfighting and Pancrase was strong in Japan.
:new_sleep No, the UFC shook up reality as we knew it and gave a lot of people a nice slap in the face and we have the Gracie family to thank for that. For those of you who forgot there was a huge hatred for BJJ from the other grappling families for a long time after this because everybody thought that BJJ was the here all end all of all fighting strategies and, as it was before, the art of grappling was kept in the dark ages for a few more years until you'd think everybody would come around and see the teachings of Bruce Lee. My motto is it's all good. I actually hated the UFC a bit when I used to win a lot of my fights by takedowns and chokes. After UFC I couldn't be lazy anymore and had to step up my grappling game.
So all my grappling bothers and sisters out there *thumbs up:karated:, and to you Joe Rogan *middle finger, he's a crow bar get your head out your ass. :5squeeze:
1/20/2006 10:08am, #2
And I can't grapple for **** anyways but still......
Having been trampled by Omega and also by various friendly folks at Gokor's....actually much more thouroughly than any of the random BJJ folks I have encountered. Not to say that there aren't pleny of BJJ folks who would trample me but really, I get sick of hearing the one not drum.
More than that.....he he... and this is just from watching....BJJ is kind of a bitch style compared to Sambo or even wrestlers. I'm sure black belts kick the same kind of ass but come on guys...tell me you weren't rooting for Fedor over Minotauro. Come on. Admit it. Fedor fights like a man. He stands and punches and doesn't **** around with the guard game. Whenever I play with BJJ people I always feel like when I used to play street fighter and the other guy would just block a lot and pick away at you with little jabs and wait for the chance to "ALLYOUCAN!!!" When I rolled with wrestlers they always go for it. Sambo too. **** man, the 16 year old green belt at Gokor's gave me a damn run for my money. *embarrased*Fighting evil and upholding justice in blue silk pajamas baby!
Bah!!! Puny Humans.
1/20/2006 10:54am, #3I think the better phrase here would've been everybody saw the benefits of grappling. A lot of us other grapplers take offense to this, even if I do stand alone.
But complaining about it is like me saying "I wish they wouldn't refer to Nazis as Fascists, they weren't Fascists, the Fascists were different, blah, blah, blah", not gonna happen, no one cares to make the distinction because no one besides a few devotees are gonna understand or care.
Shootfighting and Pancrase was strong in Japan.
Fedor fights like a man. He stands and punches and doesn't **** around with the guard game. Whenever I play with BJJ people I always feel like when I used to play street fighter and the other guy would just block a lot and pick away at you with little jabs and wait for the chance to "ALLYOUCAN!!!"
1/20/2006 11:10am, #4
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great post. Anpit tje Judo, I don't think it has been appreciated that much until Pride started promoting it - then we got to see how awesome the art was.
1/20/2006 11:12am, #5
You're taking it too literally. After UFC, many, many people went out to learn BJJ.
1/20/2006 11:15am, #6
Whining about it won't change the fact that BJJ put MMA on the map.
BJJ nuthuggers are like any other nut hugger. Uninformed non trainers.
1/20/2006 11:21am, #7I don't think it has been appreciated that much until Pride started promoting it - then we got to see how awesome the art was.
1/20/2006 11:25am, #8Whining about it won't change the fact that BJJ put MMA on the map.
So that's where my MMA comes from, Japan, not Brazil, there is a difference in emphasis.
1/20/2006 11:40am, #9
Just be thankful that no one makes fun of how gay SAMBO and JUDO are, (and they ARE gay, very very gay).Mauro: Coming into the ring now is Giant Silva. 7 foot 2, 385 lbs, making his debut in Pride.
Bas: Wow, that is one big guy!
Mauro: He must have an enormous Johnson!
Bas: Ur…I suppose.
Mauro: What are his keys to victory here in the Pride ring tonight?
Bas: Well I think he needs to use his reach, avoid Heaths takedowns, and try to use his size to overpower him.
Mauro: I mean, imagine the size of that thing!
Bas: Now Heath is coming into the ring…
Mauro: Do women really like them that big? Doesn’t it hurt?
Bas: I really wouldn’t know.
Mauro: I’m starting to feel a little insecure.
Bas: Let’s just talk about the fight.
Mauro: You’re right, el Basito. What are Heaths keys to winning here tonight. What does he have to do? What are his strategies for emerging victorious here in the Saitama Super Arena tonight?
Bas: Well, the first thing…
Mauro: My wife says she doesn’t like them too big, that it’s all about how you use it.
Bas: That’s not what she told me.
1/20/2006 11:49am, #10Just be thankful that no one makes fun of how gay SAMBO and JUDO are, (and they ARE gay, very very gay).