Discussion of Turnovers

**Samfoo** · Posted On: 2/26/2006 2:03pm

Originally Posted by greese1

First, most of these assume you have someone with a **** turtle. If someone has a clue you are not going to let you put a hook in. They are going to be so damn tight that thier elbows are inside thier knees. If you are in Judo and someone turtles, you are pretty much wasting effort trying to crack a turtle.

Agreed, but even in Judo not everyone has a perfect turtle, and a lot of time these are techniques that you sink in as they fail a throw: e.g. someone goes for soenage, screws up and drops to turtle. Well you're still holding their lapel when they go down, and they can't turtle immediatly.

In my experience though, rollovers are MUCH harder to get on Judo guys than BJJ guys.

**Samfoo** · Posted On: 2/26/2006 2:10pm

I just got back from visiting my Judo club last week and learned a modified version of the "Brazialian" (the loop choke I described at the begining of the thread). Instead of a choke, this one is a really tight pin, and is _really_ uncomfortable for the person being pinned.

Essentially it is the same technique with one change. Instead of reaching around and grabbing the lapel near the neck, reach behind the arm and grab as close to the waist as possible. Try and get a lapel, but just grabbing a hunk of gi should be enough. Perform the roll as I described before, and you should have a really tight pin. I was able to hold it on a guy > 60 pounds on me.