Thread: Repairing styles....
1/14/2006 9:45pm, #61Originally Posted by Dreadnought
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1/14/2006 9:52pm, #62
Studying dead styles can serve the same purpose as exploring the wreck of the Titanic: it's interesting and all to see the extravegant construction, but in the end it only serves to illustrate how horribly the best of intentions can fail.
1/14/2006 9:54pm, #63Originally Posted by Cullion
What everyone should take away from this thread is that techniques from dead arts disintegrate under the Light of Emperor Helio, and that incorporating gimmicks from dead arts should stop at hogtying a white belt with your blue belt and having a good laugh.
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1/14/2006 11:46pm, #64
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Yes; but if someone looked at the Titanic then rebuilt a new ship based upon it; mixing it up with the designs of ther ships; it would be good woudn't it?
I mean look at muay thai: It abandoned it's original punching methods and uses some american boxing in it.
Essentially; muay thai isnt really ''pure'' but now look at it; it's one of the best stand up fighting arts in the world.
1/15/2006 12:24am, #65Originally Posted by AAAhmed46
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MT didn't go backwards and say "Hey lets do Tai Chi Sword" and then became a respected art.
1/15/2006 1:10am, #66
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I'll drop the analogies since you're going to just keep trying to stretch them in dumb ways. I'll just give you the direct version: It's a waste of time to try to raise these dead arts from their graves.
That's a very cruel thing for me to say. But considering how little time we all have to train in REAL training, I don't see why any of us should waste it trying to deconstruct and reassemble a dead art, especially considering that there are plenty of alive ones that have already developed functional skills in all ranges.
Maybe someone with a solid base in a realistic art could take some pieces from dead material and make it work, but that's just a passing amusement. Unless you just enjoying wasting time and are dead set on sticking to some image (What Would Osensei Do?), the argument that you can take a dead art and turn it inside out makes as much sense as trying to LARP with aliveness.
I guess the idea is that these dead arts somehow contain secret FORBIDDEN KNOWEDGE that is not known in the realm of alive training, and only years of diligently punching the makiwara (WITH ALIVENESS!) and drawing diagrams of balls with axises and arrows spinning around them and saying "Our art is unique because it is based on using your attacker's strength against him" like it's a new and original concept, that Bruce Lee will come to you in a vision and give you a Black Belt +1 to show off at the next Throwdown in between tanto tag rounds.
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1/15/2006 1:16am, #67
I do enjoy the idea of someone putting in all the time and effort to solve the problems with aikido, only to realize he's just recreated judo for no reason.
1/15/2006 2:00am, #68
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"""""""""""No, you are using an improper analogy. MT existed then used a mordern form of fighting (boxing) and made their art better.
MT didn't go backwards and say "Hey lets do Tai Chi Sword" and then became a respected art."""""""""
How is what muay thai did different from what im talking about?
What im talking about is not integrating tai chi swords; it's taking BJJ or Judo background to know what crap is and what isnt crap.
But Aesopian is probably right about judo being re-created by someone 'fixing' aikido.
1/15/2006 2:30am, #69Originally Posted by Phrost
Now, i'm going to raise a lot of the same points Cullion did, minus the patronizing imperialistic analogy involving shamans.
If you have a delivery system from a legitimate combat sport (NOT AIKIDO OR TAICHI), you can start incorporating whatever kind of goofy wrist locks you want. Aeso has started several threads on exactly that.
If you don't have a delivery system, all your studies will be one big LARP.
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1/16/2006 4:22pm, #70Originally Posted by Canuckyokushin
That is what I am doing with my version of Budo Taijutsu.