Repairing styles....

**AAAhmed46** · Posted On: 1/13/2006 5:32pm

Personally, i was lucky for finding a karate school with a teacher who is progressive. But 90% of uechi-ryu sucks so much ass; it's funny.

But my teacher wants his students to spread out and teach and open thier own schools that have a progressive outlook on karate(ie cross training, no stupid bowing, clinching, grappling, kata modification, open interpretation of kata) trying to fix the damage done by bullshido-ists.

Aikido, i look at it, and i think it has so much potential, but i have not seen ONE school that actually does anything worthwhile during training.

Is it worth learning something good like BJJ or MMA and then learning Aikido with the soul purpose of trying to fix it?

Would it work? Would people come to such a school?

Anyone ever tried something like this?

Is it worth the effort?

**Phrost** · Posted On: 1/13/2006 5:44pm

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that fighting is fighting, and being attached to style names is idiotic. You're either good at it, or you aren't. Your instructor is either good, or he isn't.

But that's just me after a long day of bullshit.

**Cullion** · Posted On: 1/13/2006 5:51pm

Originally Posted by AAAhmed46

Aikido, i look at it, and i think it has so much potential, but i have not seen ONE school that actually does anything worthwhile during training.

Is it worth learning something good like BJJ or MMA and then learning Aikido with the soul purpose of trying to fix it?

Would it work? Would people come to such a school?

Anyone ever tried something like this?

Is it worth the effort?

Jason Delucia got there first. He started with kung fu and now does something he calls 'combat aikido'.

**Phrost** · Posted On: 1/13/2006 5:56pm

I respect Jason greatly... he's even posted here.

But to me it seems he's trying to put a tuxedo on a pig. You can either fight, or you can't. Jason learned what worked and what didn't by doing MMA and Pankration fights. He's an MMA/Pankration fighter.

He can call it Aikido all day long, but that doesn't change what his experience is. I could put a big spoiler, a 2.5 liter engine with larger turbo, and an STi sticker on my WRX but that doesn't make it an STi.

Attachment to style "themes" is unproductive, and irrational.

**Lights Out** · Posted On: 1/13/2006 5:58pm

Most Ma´s have enought arsenal to make you a decent fighter, if trained properly (at least, in one range). They could benefit greatly from proper training regimes.

That would be the first step.

The second would be objetively and honestly analizing what the style lacks, and crosstrain in it.

That would probably lead to a style with "MMA looks".

**Cullion** · Posted On: 1/13/2006 6:06pm

Originally Posted by Phrost

I respect Jason greatly... he's even posted here.

But to me it seems he's trying to put a tuxedo on a pig. You can either fight, or you can't. Jason learned what worked and what didn't by doing MMA and Pankration fights. He's an MMA/Pankration fighter.

He can call it Aikido all day long, but that doesn't change what his experience is. I could put a big spoiler, a 2.5 liter engine with larger turbo, and an STi sticker on my WRX but that doesn't make it an STi.

Attachment to style "themes" is unproductive, and irrational.

To take your car analogy, it seems to me like somebody taking the shell of an old classic car off the bricks, fixing it up and giving it a fresh coat of paint and then racing it against modern sports cars, just because he think's it's cool.

Jason may be eccentric not to just go racing with a modern 'optimum' car, but he's actually won quite a few races doing it his way, so good for him.

**AAAhmed46** · Posted On: 1/13/2006 6:07pm

I mean, there are some great full contact karate guys.

But the thing is SOME karate schools are good.

But MOST nhb/MMA/muay thai schools are good.

Thats thats where im wroth; when will karate guys get thier asses in gear?

**Phrost** · Posted On: 1/13/2006 6:13pm

Originally Posted by Cullion

To take your car analogy, it seems to me like somebody taking the shell of an old classic car off the bricks, fixing it up and giving it a fresh coat of paint and then racing it against modern sports cars, just because he think's it's cool.

Jason may be eccentric not to just go racing with a modern 'optimum' car, but he's actually won quite a few races doing it his way, so good for him.

Nothing wrong with that, as long as you're not trying to pass your Chevelle off as a Ferrari Enzo.

**Lights Out** · Posted On: 1/13/2006 6:15pm

Originally Posted by AAAhmed46

I mean, there are some great full contact karate guys.

But the thing is SOME karate schools are good.

But MOST nhb/MMA/muay thai schools are good.

Thats thats where im wroth; when will karate guys get thier asses in gear?

Again, we get to the same point: training regime.

If after the UFC, Pride and many MMA/NHB, etc. competitions these people do not get it, they probably never will, or aren´t really interested in fighting.

And yes, this sounds like if I´m questioning the viability of one of this site´s purpose.

**Phrost** · Posted On: 1/13/2006 6:15pm

Originally Posted by AAAhmed46

I mean, there are some great full contact karate guys.

But the thing is SOME karate schools are good.

But MOST nhb/MMA/muay thai schools are good.

Thats thats where im wroth; when will karate guys get thier asses in gear?

The majority of them do not want to do so. Most people don't seek out Martial Arts schools where they're going to get beat on or even forced to prove their fighting ability before progressing in rank.

They seek out schools that give them the illusion of what they want to be (fighters/martial artists) without having to put in the real effort it takes to be the real thing.