TMA strikes vs boxing/MT strikes

**alex** · Posted On: 1/14/2006 3:45am

Originally Posted by Meex

A lot of TMA techniques werer created for, and during combat/war.
That said, many were useful then, being used against armor, with
or without weapons, on/against horses, and so on. Even with the
"empty hand" techniques, clothing had some consideration, so did
climate and terrain.

bull fucking **** they did. they used SPEARS. and if they lost that they pulled out their knife. if they lost that, they were fucked. and what the hell has the climate got to do with punching?

**Meex** · Posted On: 1/14/2006 1:29pm

Originally Posted by Ikken Hisatsu

bull fucking **** they did. they used SPEARS. and if they lost that they pulled out their knife.

Did you read what you quoted?
". . .with or without weapons. . .and so on."

Originally Posted by Ikken Hisatsu

if they lost that, they were fucked.

that's just siily.

Originally Posted by Ikken Hisatsu

and what the hell has the climate got to do with punching?

Did the Norse wage war the same as the South Americans? Northern
Chinese and those in Jakarta? Celts and Turks? Siberians and Africans?

`~/

**alex** · Posted On: 1/14/2006 2:20pm

actually the gauls did at one stage go as far southeast as turkey. but that still has dick to do with punching?

**Thaiboxerken** · Posted On: 1/14/2006 5:13pm

I wonder why these judo chops, eagles beak, tiger claws and monkey fists just don't work in non-gloved MMA events.

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 1/14/2006 5:22pm

Dunno. Maybe nobody wants to get into the ring with a tiger to find out...

**MaverickZ** · Posted On: 1/14/2006 5:24pm

Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken

I wonder why these judo chops, eagles beak, tiger claws and monkey fists just don't work in non-gloved MMA events.

have they been tried?

**Thaiboxerken** · Posted On: 1/14/2006 5:29pm

There were a couple kung fu guys in the original 3 UFC's, before they required gloves. I think if they were so effective, they'd be used often and work.

**MaverickZ** · Posted On: 1/14/2006 5:31pm

Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken

There were a couple kung fu guys in the original 3 UFC's, before they required gloves. I think if they were so effective, they'd be used often and work.

i didn't actually see the real early UFCs so i'll take your word on the matter. did the kung fu guys use those weird strikes? or did they just do crapboxing?

i'm not arguing the phoenix eyes and leapard paws work, but i haven't seen data to the contrary.

this is actually one thing that confuses me about san shou, they use the huge gloves like kickboxing does. you'd think a sport based around traditional chinese arts would make an allowance for the unorthodox hand strikes.

**Cullion** · Posted On: 1/14/2006 6:50pm

Originally Posted by MaverickZ

i didn't actually see the real early UFCs so i'll take your word on the matter. did the kung fu guys use those weird strikes? or did they just do crapboxing?

i'm not arguing the phoenix eyes and leapard paws work, but i haven't seen data to the contrary.

this is actually one thing that confuses me about san shou, they use the huge gloves like kickboxing does. you'd think a sport based around traditional chinese arts would make an allowance for the unorthodox hand strikes.

I've done a few years of Wing Chun and a few months of Tai Chi (at a place which puts up San Shou competitors). I've only ever been told to use palm, fist or elbows so far.

JFS has posted before about the use of the crane-beak to make you tense your forearm for some other purpose. I don't have a link.

The reason for San Shou not being barenuckle is for safety. I don't know if hitting people with 'phoenix eye' or 'ginger fist' type stuff with the impact concentrated into a few knuckles works or not, but I doubt that it would be much use in MMA gloves either even if it does work.

**Cullion** · Posted On: 1/14/2006 6:54pm

The only 'early UFC kung fu' I remember seeing was Jason Delucia. I saw a brief clip of him using some flashy kicks to win a bout, and then he lost on the ground to Royce Gracie. CMA losing against BJJ on the ground is no great secret.