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    Quote Originally Posted by Meex
    A lot of TMA techniques werer created for, and during combat/war.
    That said, many were useful then, being used against armor, with
    or without weapons, on/against horses, and so on. Even with the
    "empty hand" techniques, clothing had some consideration, so did
    climate and terrain.
    bull fucking **** they did. they used SPEARS. and if they lost that they pulled out their knife. if they lost that, they were fucked. and what the hell has the climate got to do with punching?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikken Hisatsu
    bull fucking **** they did. they used SPEARS. and if they lost that they pulled out their knife.
    Did you read what you quoted?
    ". . .with or without weapons. . .and so on."

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikken Hisatsu
    if they lost that, they were fucked.
    that's just siily.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikken Hisatsu
    and what the hell has the climate got to do with punching?
    Did the Norse wage war the same as the South Americans? Northern
    Chinese and those in Jakarta? Celts and Turks? Siberians and Africans?

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    actually the gauls did at one stage go as far southeast as turkey. but that still has dick to do with punching?

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    I wonder why these judo chops, eagles beak, tiger claws and monkey fists just don't work in non-gloved MMA events.

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    Dunno. Maybe nobody wants to get into the ring with a tiger to find out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
    I wonder why these judo chops, eagles beak, tiger claws and monkey fists just don't work in non-gloved MMA events.
    have they been tried?

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    There were a couple kung fu guys in the original 3 UFC's, before they required gloves. I think if they were so effective, they'd be used often and work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
    There were a couple kung fu guys in the original 3 UFC's, before they required gloves. I think if they were so effective, they'd be used often and work.
    i didn't actually see the real early UFCs so i'll take your word on the matter. did the kung fu guys use those weird strikes? or did they just do crapboxing?

    i'm not arguing the phoenix eyes and leapard paws work, but i haven't seen data to the contrary.

    this is actually one thing that confuses me about san shou, they use the huge gloves like kickboxing does. you'd think a sport based around traditional chinese arts would make an allowance for the unorthodox hand strikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaverickZ
    i didn't actually see the real early UFCs so i'll take your word on the matter. did the kung fu guys use those weird strikes? or did they just do crapboxing?

    i'm not arguing the phoenix eyes and leapard paws work, but i haven't seen data to the contrary.

    this is actually one thing that confuses me about san shou, they use the huge gloves like kickboxing does. you'd think a sport based around traditional chinese arts would make an allowance for the unorthodox hand strikes.
    I've done a few years of Wing Chun and a few months of Tai Chi (at a place which puts up San Shou competitors). I've only ever been told to use palm, fist or elbows so far.

    JFS has posted before about the use of the crane-beak to make you tense your forearm for some other purpose. I don't have a link.

    The reason for San Shou not being barenuckle is for safety. I don't know if hitting people with 'phoenix eye' or 'ginger fist' type stuff with the impact concentrated into a few knuckles works or not, but I doubt that it would be much use in MMA gloves either even if it does work.
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    The only 'early UFC kung fu' I remember seeing was Jason Delucia. I saw a brief clip of him using some flashy kicks to win a bout, and then he lost on the ground to Royce Gracie. CMA losing against BJJ on the ground is no great secret.
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