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  1. Lights Out is offline

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    I guess he wants to know if Nick Cerio is bullshido or not.

    BTW, google is your friend: Nick Cerio.

    EDIT: From a spanish page :

    KENPO DE NICK CERIO - Lo fundó Nick Cerio en 1974. Recibió su primer cinturón negro en el estilo Kajukenbo del Sr. George Pesare. Él da crédito al Gran Maestro Chow y al Gran Maestro Parker en la creación de su estilo. Las escuelas de Kempo de Cerio enseñan la mayor parte de las formas de Shotokan, Kung-Fu y Kajukenbo, patadas de Taekwondo, posiciones japonesas y de Jujutsu. Se enseña el uso de armas de los sistemas chino y japonés y mantiene muchas formas tradicionales. Cerio considera al maestro Chow su profesor y al maestro Parker su entrenador.
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    NICK CERIO´S KENPO - Founded by Nick Cerio in 1974. He received his first black belt in Mt. Georgr Pesare´s Kajukenbo style. He (Nick Cerio) gives credit to Great Master chow and Great Master Parker in the creation of his style. Cerio´s schools teach the majority of Shotokan´s forms, Kung-Fu and Kajukenbo, Teakwondo´s kicks, japanese and Jujutsu positions. IThey´re taught (also) the chinese and japanese systems weapons and maintains many traditional forms. Cerio considers master Chow his teacher and master Parker his trainer.
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    I do Shorinji Kempo, but know nothing about American kenpo systems. If you want to find out more regarding the systems head do a google search on him, there is stacks of stuff regarding American kenpo systems on line, try this address http://www.stanford.edu/group/kenpo/kenpo-faq.html I understand it is a good faq sheet with respect to American systems. As for what’s taught just go along and see if you like it, if you enjoy doing it you will be more likely to stay. Martial Arts can be practiced for many reasons and different people like different things, only you can judge if it’s right for you. The price seems steep, but then I don’t live in America or do a commercial style so I could be wrong. I would be looking at reputation of style and instructor, is the instructor qualified not only in the martial art but also in fitness training or coaching, is the instructor or another regular qualified in first aid, will you be covered by insurance, has the class got a good atmosphere to train in and is the class close by or convenient to travel to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repulsive Monkey
    Can you get a straight answer about costs?
    Can you pay on a monthly basis?
    Is there transparency about what is taught to the higher belts?
    Is the founder/master regardeda regular human being, as opposed to a supernatural dynamo?
    Is there regular hard-contact (not point) sparring?
    Do they acknowledge that they're not as good at groundfighting as any specialist?

    If the answer to any of these questions is no, then **** it.
    Do you honestly want to waste your time with Kempo?
    Do you want to pick up a martial art because of some shitty movie?
    Do you even know what you're looking for, what criteria to base a school on, or posses even a rudimentary sense of what your training goals?

    Do you want to take advice on seeking out Alive training from a Tai Chi practioner?
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    Jon Hackleman is techinically of the Cerio line of kenpo, but then again so is Fred Villari. System doesn't mean **** if the instructor doesn't know ****. Go to the school try the fucking classes tell us what you think, tell us what they cover, we'll go from there. Until then STFU and get to training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da SHreDdA
    what about the name NICK CERIO?the teachers at the school have trained under him and are listed on the nick cerio site as under his lineage....

    also is 85$ alot per month ???

    i have so many questions its crazy but would rather get info here than ask there seeing how people can be shady when they own a business
    $85 is not a lot per say, but what do you get for $85 a month? Most schools charge like $100 a month, and they give you between 2 and 3 classes per week. Anything above $120 should give you no less than 3 classes per week. Anything with a down payment over $150 should include uniform or equipment, and anything over $150 a month should give you unlimited access!!!!!! Anything less is :pottytrai

    Ask them upfront if you have to pay more as you become more proficient in the art. Some schools may tell you that you should train only 2 classes a week so that you don't over train, and that "you can train more later when you feel more comfortable/better shape". The caveat is that when you tell them you are ready to train more often, then they tell you that you have to pay more or sign another contract (happened to me.) :5hot:

    Be wary of contracts. Don't sign any contract over 6 months. If you have to sign a contract, try to negotiate if you can get a contract of 3 months. Also, ask specifically on what terms you can cancel your contract, and ask them to give you the choice of cancelling if you are not satisfied with the instruction, or the instruction doesn't "fullfill" you.

    My bet is that at $85 a month, you should be able to train at least twice a week. Actually, it's a pretty cheap price compared to what's out there (specially BJJ schools). Do you have to buy your uniform on top of the monthly and the $100 registration fee, or is it included in the registration?

    At the end of the day, for that price, just give it a try. Ask them if they can give you a free class w/o obligations. Since they are asking you to pay $100 to register, probably they have a contract in place. If they don't offer a free class, be wary. People are nice, but also bizness is bizness.

    Also, if you are looking to get into MA to get in better shape, I'd suggest a gym instead (but that's my personal opinion.) If not, at the very least, the class should make you sweat. That kempo class should not only teach you forms, but it should help you improve your physical fitness. If at the end of the class you don't feel like you worked out, then don't waste your money in it.

    I'm not sure how effective kempo is if you really train in it seriously- I took it for two months, twice a week a long time ago in my college years. What I liked about that class was the instructor made us sweat. He forced us to work out our abs and lower backs, and conditioned our abs by hitting in them. At first, we almost puked what we had for breakfast, but after a few classes, we were able to take it (so those things demonstrated an improvement in fitness.)

    Secondly, he not only showed us forms and cool-looking ****, but he also showed us basic boxing combinations, some work with focus mits, how to keep our chin tucked, shoulders up... things like that. He never let us n00bs sparr fully (only the students at the night classes could), but we did learn a few practical things from boxing. Things like these are what you should look for, things that push you physically, things that seem practical... not having those is a big red flag. :new_cussi

    Last, but not least, there should be sparring, live sparring. Not the "light, safe sparring" as you see some schools advertise. People should go at it. If you are happy with light sparring, and if the people are nice enough to socialize with, then more power to you, but be aware that you will not be learning any effective form of MA or self-defense. Some pretty ****, and no more than that :gaygay:

    At the end of the day, unless you find a good no bullshit MT/KK/Judo/BJJ school, you may have to try one or two different things and schools until you find something you don't mind paying for month by month, and that you actually look forward to go even when you are tired. Kinda like dating, with expenses and bruises. :viking:

    So, just give it a try, and see if you like it, and try to pay as little as possible before you can determine you want to do this for a few months to a lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da SHreDdA
    i read kempo and kenpo are the same just a typo as it was originally kempo but they ddidnt wanna change it....

    anyways can u help please, because the sooner i get help i can get this rolling
    Naw not really. Both KEMPO and KENPO are both correct romanizations just two different systems being used.

    PM the Bullshido member CLYDE he's really in the know in the world of Kempo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyd
    Do you honestly want to waste your time with Kempo?
    Do you want to pick up a martial art because of some shitty movie?
    Do you even know what you're looking for, what criteria to base a school on, or posses even a rudimentary sense of what your training goals?

    Do you want to take advice on seeking out Alive training from a Tai Chi practioner?
    the 1st 2 questions u asked sound pretty harsh, is kenpo shitty????
    jeff speakman makes that **** look real in the perfect weapon
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    NEVER evaluate a Martial Art based off a movie.
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    nick c is reputable in kempo & kajukenbo lineages.
    but, nick is not the instructor.
    $85 is decent - see what that entails, though.
    try it out, then ask your questions.
    the comment about belts sounds about right.

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    Nick Cerio died a couple years ago, but he did have a decent reputation in the kenpo world. Largely, because he studied under William Chow and Ed Parker.

    There are problems in kenpo that you should be aware of.
    1st is they rely on mediocre training methods such as forms, sets and compliant techniques. To learn fighting you must actually fight.

    Also there is the hubris that kenpo is the end-all-be-all of martial arts and there is no reason to look elsewhere. That may not be such a problem at the school you're looking at because of their JJ program.

    There is also a real "street" mentality that often justifies not actually sparring in class; afterall, they're not training for the ring are they?

    Look up ikenpo.com/cerio_clip.wmv to see the departed Cerio in action.

    "The Perfect Weapon" was a vehicle for Ed Parker/Jeff Speakman to promote American Kenpo and really shouldn't be a reason to study the art.

    As a general rule you'd be better off going to a boxing or MMA studio over kenpo.
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