Chris Clugston, Comhrac Bas, real deal?

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 4/30/2010 2:31pm

http://www.naming-schemes.org/~chard...n/na-13164.pdf

Chuck got Cluggston's military records, he spend approximately a year in service and took only a couple of short basic language courses. Does anyone know how to interpret these records?

**Carpe Noctem** · Posted On: 4/30/2010 3:01pm

Originally Posted by Samuel Browning

http://www.naming-schemes.org/~chard...n/na-13164.pdf

Chuck got Cluggston's military records, he spend approximately a year in service and took only a couple of short basic language courses. Does anyone know how to interpret these records?

I can comment on this.

Looks like he went to Ft. Sill for Basic (based on his point of entry, but it could have been Leonard Wood, the entry's very blurry). From there he went to DLI, looks like he rocked out of Arabic, rolled back into Thai and from there was discharged. Doesn't seem to say why. What's been put out about his discharge?

Caveat: My inital MOS was 98G, so this was similar to the start of my career path. I've been in since '94, and am currently an MI Warrant Officer (and two-time graduate of DLI, yay me).

Edit: Yeah, looks like D Co., 4-10 IN, Fort Leonard Wood, MO. I was D Co., 2-10.

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 4/30/2010 3:10pm

So did he fail out of Arabic? Or is that a conclusion still unsupported by the evidence?

I'm also curious if he could realistically claim proficiency in either of these two languages based on his time in these courses.

**Carpe Noctem** · Posted On: 4/30/2010 3:17pm

Just based on the timeline. He spent 18 days in Arabic, looks like. That's something like a 64-week course. Probably couldn't adjust to the class/language and was rolled into an oncoming Thai class. He spent nearly 3 months in Thai and then was chaptered. The docs don't state why. Could've rocked out, could've been a medical drop. Can't tell.

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 4/30/2010 3:23pm

I wonder if the Thai class was supposed to be three months long, or he left that one early as well?

**Carpe Noctem** · Posted On: 4/30/2010 3:25pm

No. Thai is a 47 week course to the best of my knowledge.

**Cletus** · Posted On: 4/30/2010 7:10pm

Originally Posted by pst

"Comhrac Bas"- if I'm spelling that right. Is either Scots Gaelic or Irish for "Fight to the Death". I may not have that right. I have a feeling that it is also from a dictionary and not a correct translation as he may be using it.
Minor point, I know, but there was a language element to this thread. Someone who knows this better than I do please add something.

If its Irish he's using, then "comhrac" is basically combat, but it would have different connotations depending on the use. "bás" means death (he's missing the fada over the "a"), given how Irish is spoken, i suppose a direct translation would be death combat or death fighting, but it would have no real significance as a phrase, as far as I know, in Ireland

**Odacon** · Posted On: 4/30/2010 8:01pm

It's about right, Gaeilge is a crude language it's grammar is primitive and unwieldy compared to modern languages. The bigger question is why would a Roman martial arts have an Irish name?

**Cletus** · Posted On: 5/03/2010 2:29pm

hey Odacon, your not by any chance a gaelgoir are you, I couldn't come up with a better translation, might ask one of the Irish teachers in school tomorrow.