Joe Moreira’s Reverse Kimura

***Cassius*** · Posted On: 1/08/2006 2:43pm

So I worked the Reverse Kimura in class today. My initial impression is that it is more useful as a setup into something else than as a submission itself. I felt like I was using a LOT of strength to get it, even on smaller guys. I'm going to ask a different instructor about it tomorrow or Tuesday (he's probably the most knowledgable grappler at my club, but wasn't in class today).

Initial likes: Gives me something new to play with when I have an underhook, and appears to be very useful for setting up several sweeps and subs I already know.

Initial dislikes: Seems to be very dependent on catching your opponent's arm in an already compromised position, requires some strength to finish.

I'm going to keep playing with it because:

A.) I successfully transitioned from it into a nice behind the back kimura/hammerlock several times without using much strength.

B.) There could easily be some intricacies that I'm missing out on from Aeso's description that would make it much easier to pull off.

**JohnnyS** · Posted On: 1/08/2006 2:54pm

I used to work this from front control: Get a Fig-4 grip, turn the guy face down, jump over behind him, get your shoulder on his tricep and pull his arm out and lift the wrist to apply. My instructor used to do it quite a bit but I gave up on it after a while.

**ClintEQ** · Posted On: 1/09/2006 12:43am

I'm pretty sure that Bas Rutten shows this move on his Big DVDs of combat. I find it effective as to surprise people but it's hard to finish without a big size/strength advantage.

**fanatical** · Posted On: 1/09/2006 3:28pm

Only got it on a noob a couple of times. Once under mount O_o.

I like it because you always stay a bit tighter because of the underhooking and thus it's a bit more sneaky. But unless you get the angle as mentioned, it's mainly a strength thing. I might use it some time if I'm in a bad position for a regular kimura or the like.

**Darkpaladin** · Posted On: 1/09/2006 3:35pm

I've seen some pics of the reverse kimura in one of his books.

The setup I saw was side control top, going for a keylock. Bottom man defends by snaking his arm down by his hip (classic kimura opening). Moreira then pulls the bottom man's elbow up, and applies the reverse kimura. Basically the sub without having to change arm position. If anyone's having difficulty picturing the arm placement, think of a keylock setup, (left hand on left wrist, right arm underneath) from sidemount, then pull the arm down to the hip.