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  1. Roidie McDouchebag is offline
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    Hamas to Merge Militia\Military









    I find it amazing that Israel is watching this happen. Roadmap to peace my ass. This is going to escalate, I predict a bloodbath at this point.

    Hamas won't disarm. Israel and America won't recognize Hamas. The EU still considers Hamas a terrorist organization...democracy triumphs.

    Anyway, I find it really funny, in a very dark way, that this is happening...in Israel of all places. I used to think (ah Clinton, where have you gone?) world politics was going to be enforcedly boring forever, but then, things like things just pop-up every once in awhile and reaffirm my faith in humanity.

    There's so ways the Fascist in me could gloat about this, it's an obvious failure of the democracy any time such an anti-liberal party is elected.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, democracy simply doesn't work.

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    Perhaps I'm smoking crack, but I expect that this will be an overall improvement given time. Hammas in many respects is a liberal party for the region. In fact, thier social arm has been providing more social support services than Fatah ever did. Ironically, they rose to power using many of the same social tactics that the Bush Admin has been advocating here in the US.

    If the militia is part of the military then the Palestinian Government cannot easily separate itself from any attacks on Isreal (something Fatah has been doing for years). This will either result in Isreal wiping the Palestinian Government off the face of the map, or the Authority finally having the control to stop unsanctioned terrorist attacks on Isreal and securing the peace process. Terrorism works as a tool it isn't connectable to the government. Hammas should understand that in a direct confrontation with Isreal they have absolutely no bargining power at all.

    Comparing this entire thing to the rise of the Nazi's in German is, historically speaking, a bit of a stretch. Again, I'd look more to other examples such as the ascention of the IRA political arm in NI for patterns that we might see.

    Of course, if a hardline parliment comes into power in Isreal, or if Hammas leaders can't reach concensus, then who knows what will happen.

    I still will point out that few people are discussing that counter to your Simpson's comment, Democracy did work in this election.

    Here's an interesting analysis of the situation:
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGMHGVCEP1.DTL

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    Perhaps I'm smoking crack, but I expect that this will be an overall improvement given time. Hammas in many respects is a liberal party for the region. In fact, thier social arm has been providing more social support services than Fatah ever did.
    By liberal I meant respecting individual freedoms/rights, the sanctity of life, the bleeding heart moral relativism, etc.

    Hamas is more on the Fascist model. Fascism was really an extreme centrist movement, IMO, at least fiscally. They're for the little guy, but willing to use violence. They are very much into the use of nationalism and religious zealotry. So I think that while they may be fiscally left of center in Palestine, it may be good to remember that so were the Fascists in Italy, Mussolini was a Socialist.

    I'm not saying their election is necessarily a bad thing, but I think Israel and the USA will make it one anyway.

    Also, my comparison with the Nazis was simply a comparison between the SA and the Hamas militia, not saying Hamas is Nazi...although, it wouldn't be unfair to label them a National(ist) and a Socialist movement...
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    By liberal I meant respecting individual freedoms/rights, the sanctity of life, the bleeding heart moral relativism, etc.
    Ahh classical liberal. Got it.

    As for Hammas as a Fascist party... Socialist definitely. Not sure about facist. I really need to learn more about thier political and social arms.

    And in the interest of relativism, it would be interesting to do a comparison of them vs the fatah party to see where each nets out.

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    Without the complete and total annihilation of Israel, GWB's, legacy and plan of facilitating biblical prophecy will be incomplete.

    If he told you that invading Iraq was all about installing Hamas, you never would have gone for it.

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    Man these guys had better calm the **** down quickly.
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    As for Hammas as a Fascist party... Socialist definitely. Not sure about facist.
    They are nationalistic, socialistic, and militaristic. Those, to me, having been a Fascist, are the pillars of Fascism.
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    I'm going with the experts, and saying that Hamas is going to start fracturing into 'splinter organisations' within the next year
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