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  1. Hedgehogey is offline
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    Alright first poster, do you know what a straw man arguement is?

    Well right now you're animating an army of little straw men and choreographing them to classical music.

    Listen, i'm a 150 pound, severely nearsighted, anime dork. I also have a blood condition called thallesemia, a type of anemia, and get very lightheaded when there's not enough oxygen around. Maestro Nobones has full on multiple sclerosis, and Angry Spastic appears to be stitched together from the body parts of several different people.

    We all do pretty damn well for ourselves in the grappling arts.


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    I don't think you have to be a genetically flawless ubermensch to get a lot out of full contact training just as long as you aren't expecting to win a world title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    I don't think it's fair to categorize grappling and MMA schools as only working for big muscular people with huge pain thresholds (the 'success by attrition of the initially weak' argument).

    Some of the grapplers and MMA'ers here are doubtless big strong guys who can take a lot of punishment (however, you don't know how many years of working out and eating right it took to get them like that, not all the physically powerful people are like that by genetics alone), but some of them are pretty lightly-built guys who admit to not being involved in anything atheletic or 'martial' before taking up grappling/MMA.

    I have a hunch that one of the problems with CMA is that they have all these flashy aesthetically pleasing forms and 'alternative health' side to them, so they attract (and are often deliberately marketed this way) to lots of people who have no interest in fighting. There are generations of instructors who only ever did that side of it themselves.

    With things like Boxing and BJJ, there's not really much doubt what they're for, so even though boxers and BJJers come in all sizes and levels of natural ability (plenty of physically average guys), by taking up the art they've chosen they've already self-selected as people who are looking for some action.

    I agree. The fact that many Mixed Martial Artists are large strong guys is due to the audience it attracts, not the idea that MMA is unsuitable for those that aren't big and strong. Kazushi Sakuraba is one example of an extremely popular and succesful MMA fighter who is not particularly big OR strong. In fact, he's famous for regularly defeating larger and stronger opponents.
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    I got plenty out of hard contact sparring, but I'm just a normal guy and there were a few guys at my club who I could simply not hope to compete with without completely changing the way I eat/sleep/breath/etc and I didn't care enough to do that.

    Besides that, some people are natural athletes. My brother for example was immediately better based (balanced) than me due to years of sports. He also has shins of steel from years of soccer and a genetic disposition toward a lack of pain receptors. I've seen him hit hard in the face and never fazed, not just never KO'ed, but I never once saw him wince, stumble, or show any other sort of negative effect from blows to the head that would have set me on my ass. I could, and still can beat him in a fight through crafty grappling, but even if I win, I will be beaten to a bloody pulp and victory is by NO means assured.

    Some people's bodies are able to take more punishment than others. Some people have a heavier bone structure. Some people are naturally more flexible. Some people naturally have better endurance.

    All these things should be consider by the potential MAist before they jump into something they may not be suited for. The best thing to do, IMO, is try out a few styles and find the one that's right for you, and includes realistic training with resistance. This doesn't mean you have to do constant sparring at 100%, that's just asking for injuries for anyone but a pro athlete (and sometimes them too) but there should be some kind of sparring going on against a resisting, thinking opponent.
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    Sakuraba has incredible endurance, far, far, far above normal. That isn't just conditioning, it's genetics.
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    If I thought there was no point doing San Shou sparring unless I had a good shot at winning a title, I would stop now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Choke You
    The best thing to do, IMO, is try out a few styles and find the one that's right for you, and includes realistic training with resistance. This doesn't mean you have to do constant sparring at 100%, but there should be some kind of sparring going on against a resisting, thinking opponent.
    I totally agree.

    Personally though, i've done that and am still looking for a new school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Choke You
    Sakuraba has incredible endurance, far, far, far above normal. That isn't just conditioning, it's genetics.
    I don't necessarily see how you can come to that conclusion. The best cross-country runner I know started out as unathletic. He wasn't naturally gifted, he just worked very very hard. I attribute his incredible endurance to hard-work not genetics.

    Is there something I'm missing that leads to the fact that Sakuraba must have incredible natural endurance?
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    Considering he's a lush and smokes cigars regularly, yeah, possibly.
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    Fine. I verbally tap out to Phrost.
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