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    By a slight pivoting I meant less pivoting than when I did Karate.

    Have in mind that with the step, my rea leg is almost "pivoted".

    Ill try to explain, with the step my base foot is almost parallel to the target, with the pivote, it gets completely parallel. Sometimes, even further than parallel, with the heel getting more close to point towards the target, but not completely pointing like in a side kick.
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    when he kicks (you can see it in other fighters too like Cro Cop and Aerts) he steps out first, puts his foot at a 90 degree angle from his opponent, and throws the kick- he doesnt go up on the ball of his foot and spin. some fighters do like Buakaw and Samkor. its just a different and still effective method.
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    I think the pivot is more crucial to keeping your knee healthy than power. Getting up on the ball of the foot allows a good spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
    I think the pivot is more crucial to keeping your knee healthy than power. Getting up on the ball of the foot allows a good spin.
    it's also one of the main things that let you turn the hips over. and the lack of it is the reason why the "step then kick" method is slower.

    the "step then kick" method is also telegraphed. its success in professional venues is a testament to the fighters.
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    I agree with Thaiboxerken and MaverickZ.

    Planting and kicking is effective, when your kick impacts your target significantly behind your lead knee, thus the reason for stepping to the side and turning your foot. But if you miss, or if your opponent turns away from your kick, you run the risk of tearing your ACL.

    And if your opponent cut kicks your support leg out from under you, and you're not on the balls of your feet, where you will simply fall, then you will definitely twist your knee and tear your ACL. I've seen that happen, twice.
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    TBK's statements are inline with what I've learned about kicking. Maybe Ramon Dekkers does do some things wrong... hell, Mike Tyson kept his gloves together and had a squared stance which is "wrong" according to what I've been taught about boxing.
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    you are all assuming that when you do it you are standing flat footed. you aren't. if theres nothing there to hit, then you just spin right round. now if your foot was completely flat, and you were a bit on the retarded side, then you could damage your ACL for sure.

    Im not saying its the best way (****, I dont even do it that way usually) im just saying that before TBK starts going off about how its "wrong" he needs to go and watch people who actually fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
    I think the pivot is more crucial to keeping your knee healthy than power. Getting up on the ball of the foot allows a good spin.
    As a proud owner of a set of bad knees I have to agree .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikken Hisatsu
    before TBK starts going off about how its "wrong" he needs to go and watch people who actually fight.
    Like Kidspatula just said, even the best fighters can have some very bad habits and form. Butterbean is a fat ass, that doesn't mean being fat is just another method of being a better boxer.
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    I guess that most of you (specially Ikken, Kidspatula and TBK) already have this video.

    Ive re-watched it now (Ive been re-watching this video from tiem to time as a motvitation to work out) and ive noticed a slight pivoting in dekkers kick sometimes, and sometimes no pivoting at all.

    Pay attention to the kicks shown in slow motion, most of them have the slight pivoting Ive described early.
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