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  1. Omar is offline

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    Serious thanks to both of you guys.

    I am giggling to myself just thinking about the likely reaction to Shooter's work.

    Light's out. Thanks again. I understand what you mean better now. I have a bunch more to say but it's more general about the forum and what could happen here so I'll post it later in the general techniques forum as it's not a technical comment.
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    well, some discussion is what you want huh?
    let me state some assumptions i made/you stated and please correct me if im at all wrong.

    -you are kicking slow and soft on purpose
    -dropping your hands out of laziness

    ok, cool. now things i saw that bothered me.

    -no pivoting of the foot to come back to your stance. that is, you pivot to deliver the kick but then your support leg doesn't forcefully pivot back, it just kind of stays in a position and rotates when your body falls back into position. Why dont i like this? well it leaves you open for a long time while you are coming back to your stance and it leaves your leg close to the person to be grabbed

    -You dont close you leg after the kick. and i mean any part of your leg. much like your lack of a returning pivot, your butt and knee just kind of fall back to where they came. this botthers me for the same reason as no pivot. you increase the time that your leg is in the air.

    ill try to make and post some videos of what im talking about, but give me some time as i am technology retarted
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    on your "special" kicks are you turning your body so much to look at the camera i hope?

    oh,i saw your other video, you just rotate through,ok
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    They look like PANSY ASS KICKS to me.

    1. You aren't turning yoru hips over before your leg comes.
    2. Your pivot foot doesn't pivot enough, your heel should point at your target when your shin hits.
    3. Your initial step is wrong, instead of stepping inside of your opponents feet, step to the outside so your leg can crush through.
    4. Your arms are sloppy stupid.
    5. You aren't even looking at your partner when you kick, I even see you looking backwards at the finish of someof your kicks.
    6. Your leg is way too straight, which causes the kinetic energy to bounce instead of penetrate.
    7. You seem to lean away from the target, thus robbing your kick of damaging mass.
    8. Your step is way too long, you only need a short step to get the mass moving. Try hop stepping in if your target is far.

    That is all.
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    thaiboxerken, i totally agree with all you say. but, i think he is trying to show his "CMA inspired" version of the kick. thats not to say that the kick wouldnt be more effective making said adjustments. so, Omar, i geuss the question is why wouldnt you make said changes? sorry if you explained in another threead, can you enlighten us please?
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    Omar, thanks for the posts and video.

    I've really enjoyed your threads in this subforum thus far. You've even managed to get Shooter to post a few times. If shooter adds his own video, then I'll feel my $20 and t-shirt purchase were worth it for the threads in this sub-forum (and getting to read JFS's stuff, crazy and otherwise).

    Also, something for another time, did I see you say you had added Tai chi? If so, which style?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saku39
    thaiboxerken, i totally agree with all you say. but, i think he is trying to show his "CMA inspired" version of the kick. thats not to say that the kick wouldnt be more effective making said adjustments. so, Omar, i geuss the question is why wouldnt you make said changes? sorry if you explained in another threead, can you enlighten us please?

    Maybe because he's trying to capture what he's doing in a format similar to what most here would appreciate/understand?

    I doubt the step/kick thing would for me with kicks above the waist, but it helped tie a few loose ends for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saku39
    well, some discussion is what you want huh?
    let me state some assumptions i made/you stated and please correct me if im at all wrong.

    -you are kicking slow and soft on purpose
    -dropping your hands out of laziness
    Yes and no. I was going to say I was dropping my hands out of lazyness at first but then I thought about it a bit more and I realized that I do tend to keep my hands around chest height or a little higher. They don't come up untill I am in pretty close. I just don't think you need to be that fanatical about it. Keep them to high and you open your self up to things too. Main thing is, it just depends on the situation.

    I think you need to really develope an awareness of where the other guy is probably trying to hit you. Did you catch this clip earlier?

    http://media.putfile.com/kicking-drill

    That's what tend to think of as proper hand placement. When you throw that low round, your asking to be hit in the face so you put your hand there. When your just standing there at kicking distance....no need to worry yet.

    I am kicking fairly slow to make sure that my partner blocks them all and because he is still getting a bit confused about the sequence. I kick as heavy as I think my partner can handle. There were two clips on this thread I think with almost the same drill. Were you thinking of the one with the shorter guy in black or the taller guy where we were kicking back and forth. With the first guy I kicked kind of slow but very heavy. The second guy couldn't take the kicks on his arms so I threw them much lighter.


    -no pivoting of the foot to come back to your stance. that is, you pivot to deliver the kick but then your support leg doesn't forcefully pivot back...
    hm...I didn't think I was even pivoting much on the way in. I don't like the pivot. I like keeping rooted through the movement if I can. If you compare with my footwork drill you can see my feet really don't change from that. It's all like walking to me. I've attached a pic at the end to make that point. It looks pretty wierd in still frame. I didn't realize I had that much turnout. I step out like that, kick, step back. I try to avoid pivoting for a couple reasons. The main one is that it makes it difficult to change midstream. By maintaining that connection to the ground I can cut down and kick the thigh or waist with the same kick that was aimed at the head. More than that though, it's just a general foot work habit to walk wherever I go rather than hop, skip, shiffle, pivot, etc.


    -You dont close you leg after the kick. and i mean any part of your leg. much like your lack of a returning pivot, your butt and knee just kind of fall back to where they came. this botthers me for the same reason as no pivot. you increase the time that your leg is in the air.
    Really? I don't quite follow. I hope you figure out the clip. It's pretty simple. Just import it into Windows Movie Maker and "save as" to get some choices so you can compress it down to a reasonable size. Then go to megaupload.com to put it on the web. Then we can take still frames or something so you can show me exactly what you mean. It sounds like you think I should immediately fold my leg at the knee on the way back, kind of like chambering but in reverse. I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FeiLo
    Maybe because he's trying to capture what he's doing in a format similar to what most here would appreciate/understand?

    I doubt the step/kick thing would for me with kicks above the waist, but it helped tie a few loose ends for me.
    More or less. It's really a mistake to call it a "CMA inspired" kick. It is CMA. No inspiration at all. Straight from the core. But yeah, I am trying to put some ideas out in a format that most here can feel comfortable criticising as opposed to just laughing at or say, "hrr...that sucks!" It's almost working too.

    Thaiboxeren:

    Still waiting for a clip of you doing anything at all but in the spirit of the subforum I'll take your points:

    1. You aren't turning yoru hips over before your leg comes.

    No. I guess not. I do less than I thought. I think the way I've found gives me better stability and controll. I can do it the other way and may post a clip of some boring pad work which shows it. I get more mileage out of opening and closing the hips than from turning them over.

    2. Your pivot foot doesn't pivot enough, your heel should point at your target when your shin hits.

    BTDT. Disagree. That makes it too hard to link your movement well with other stuff or to change what your doing mid stream. I spent 5+ years learning how to do it that way and was once religious about getting 180 degree pivot on the foot but I have since abandoned that method.

    3. Your initial step is wrong, instead of stepping inside of your opponents feet, step to the outside so your leg can crush through.

    I have to assume you didn't watch the clip of me kicking the air so you don't realize that I have 360 degree follow through on that kick.

    4. Your arms are sloppy stupid.

    Eh...I little lazy maybe but I wouldn't go that far. You'd probably like the arms better on this one:

    http://media.putfile.com/kicking-drill

    On that clip I only let them down between kicks when I speak to my partner.

    5. You aren't even looking at your partner when you kick, I even see you looking backwards at the finish of someof your kicks.

    Pic please? I reviewed both clips in slo-mo and can't find an example. I think I licked that particular problem a good 10 years ago but I could be wrong. The clips are up. Take a vid-cap and show me where I'm doing it.

    6. Your leg is way too straight, which causes the kinetic energy to bounce instead of penetrate.

    Disagree.

    7. You seem to lean away from the target, thus robbing your kick of damaging mass.

    Disagree again. I know you like to do a kind of kick where you are kind of battering forward with your shin horozontal and therefore need more forward momentum for it. My momentum is all cricular in these clips. Leaning back counterbalances, adds momentum and keeps my head from being counter punched. I'm guessing you like them to look more like this the attatched pic?

    8. Your step is way too long, you only need a short step to get the mass moving. Try hop stepping in if your target is far.

    You missed the whole thread on footwork. I doubt you'd understand what I was getting at with the footwork drill and it's relation to kicking or how every step is a kick anyways but feel free to troll my other thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar
    Still waiting for a clip of you doing anything at all
    I'm flattered, but I don't do internet porn anymore.

    I think the way I've found gives me better stability and controll.
    I mean, your hips don't lead your leg.

    Disagree. That makes it too hard to link your movement well with other stuff or to change what your doing mid stream.
    Why sacrifice kicking with actual power for the ability to "change what your doing mid stream?" Are you prepping for some TKD point fighting?

    I have to assume you didn't watch the clip of me kicking the air so you don't realize that I have 360 degree follow through on that kick.
    Doesn't matter. It's basic physics. If you step to the right, then kick towards the left, you are fighting your own inertia. Sure you can still spin, but most of your power went into the air towards the right by the time your kick impacts your target, which is to your left at this time.

    On that clip I only let them down between kicks when I speak to my partner.
    It doesn't matter what drills I do, I am always wary of keeping my hands up. Practice makes habits, good or bad.

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    Pic please? [/quote]

    I see, so you didn't look at the camera with a goofy look on your face?

    6. Your leg is way too straight, which causes the kinetic energy to bounce instead of penetrate.

    Disagree.
    Again, it has to do with the physics. It's better to have the mass of yoru body behind yoru kick. This applies to 7 as well.


    You missed the whole thread on footwork. I doubt you'd understand what I was getting at with the footwork drill and it's relation to kicking or how every step is a kick anyways but feel free to troll my other thread.
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