Posted On:1/01/2006 3:22pm
Style: Judo Noob
Agreed. If the guy had really wanted to shoot the assistant, he still would have.
Posted On:1/01/2006 6:14pm
No discussion on tactics?
What would you do if the gunman is facing away from you?
Monkey his back? Uppercut? Try to knock the gun out of his arms?
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Posted On:1/01/2006 7:22pm
Barring that, empty hands vs. firearms is a pretty low percentage situation. Whenever I hear about someone making it work, the defender normally monkied the gun arm and went 100% on controlling the weapon. This went on until the attacker pummelled the defender into submission, the defender (or the attacker) wrestled the weapon away, or help arrived.
If the defender has a reasonable understanding of firearms, and the pistol was semiautomatic, they might be able to disable the weapon or at least hinder its operation by the gunman. (Eject magazine, possibly eject chambered round, engage safety, get a piece of meat between the hammer and the firing pin if the hammer is exposed, etc.)
Getting away from the unarmed tangent for a moment - was there anything sufficiently sharp or heavy nearby that could make for an improvised weapon? Large scissors? A chair?
Discretion is the better part of valor. Running out the door and calling for help may not be considered courageous, but it's certainly reasonable in this case.
Posted On:1/01/2006 8:40pm
If only she learned Ninjitsu,she coulda caught the bullet in her teeth....or snatch.
Posted On:1/02/2006 9:54am
Style: Empty-Hand Style
If you live in crime-high area sometimes complying with a robber means hes gonna do it again and again over the months....Its better to fight back the first time if you aint installing security.
Posted On:1/02/2006 9:58am
"What would you do if the gunman is facing away from you?
Monkey his back? Uppercut? Try to knock the gun out of his arms?"
Uh I'd go cup his ears with my palms ....real hard.Any doctor would know well enough what would have happened.
Posted On:1/02/2006 10:50am
Style: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
Originally Posted by greese1
Or more likely she made it more dangerous. The key in those situations is to think.
Unlikley. If her friend was going to get shot, he would have shot her, or shot both of them after he got attacked.
... and I think the point (from some other posts) is that there isn't much time to think/analyze in those situations. She feared for her friend and took action. How many would stand idly like a deer in headlights? Most, I suspect.
...and BTW just how many of "those situations" have you been in? Even if you've been in some, every situation is different. There is no way for casual outside observers to know what was going on and how things are/were perceived from a news report.
However "ill-advised" we think her actions were (talking from the comfortable realm of theory and Internet armchair-do), she and her friend are alive. Her instinct was to fight back and save her friend. We have no way to know what she experienced -- her thoughts, sights, smells, what she heard, how she perceived her attacker, etc. This lady acted to save someone's life, and regardless of the quality of her technique, what style it came from, or how "smart" her strategy was, she's already used her martial arts to save a friend and herself -- and that's more than most of the Bullshido forum, I suspect.
"In theory" that's what martial arts are or were intended for. This lady deserves serious props.
Posted On:1/02/2006 4:43pm
She honestly thought her assistant was going to die if she didn't do something? The guy was just after the money in the register. He probably chose a hair salon because odds are they wouldn't pull anything. I'm surprised he even brought a loaded gun. She's confusing 'martial arts instincts' with lack of common sense. Being a hero nowadays just means you have a terminal illness or got shot in general. What happens if you actually save some one's life by pulling them out of the way of an accident or stopping a suicide attempt? I don't put wannabe superheroes characters in the same boat as a cop or fireman. All she did, was protect a drawer full of cash, and make a guy use a bullet he wasn't planning on using. If she'd just kept washing hair, theguy would have grabbed a few bills and ran, and she wouldn't have a load of buckshot in her. This whole 'We protect our neighborhood' deal is just ignorant. I remember back in high school, some girl was on a plane, to London, and the thing swerved a bit before landing. The girl screamed, much to the dlight of the other passengers, thought she was going to die.
All her friends said she was a hero for what she survived.
...What? Did her screaming keep the plane in the air? Robberies are only lethal situations when things go off-track. That bullet wasn't meant for her or her coworker, it was meant to intimidate.
...is THE PENETRATOR
Posted On:1/02/2006 5:33pm
Style: German longsword, .45 ACP
Tactically, the textbook answer is that with a firearm your key strategy should be to gain control of the gun. Instead, she executed a throw but did not wrest the gun from the grasp of the robber. So, you could say that she used the wrong approach, and perhaps her actions put everyone at more risk...but it's hard to judge an ordinary civilian who acts in a high stress situation like that.
To clarify. She ran up and executed a throw. If she could have attempted the throw, surely she probably could have grabbed the barrel of the gun. Her tactical priorities were off.
“nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you’re a hit man or a video gamer.” - Jack Thompson
Posted On:1/03/2006 2:04am
Style: Shotokan, Tai Chi Chuan
Trained to handle those situations, my ass. No matter how stupid it may be to take on an armed attacker in the first place, the first rule of gun/knife defense is, control the weapon before you attempt to control the attacker.
EDIT: Sorry, Wounded Ronin, didn't see you up there.
Last edited by Johann; 1/03/2006 2:06am at .
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