Originally Posted by AikiZenDragon
So , in general , Aikido isn't teaching anything but choreography and techniques that could be used when you actually go and train them against resistance and in free sparring . ?
Becouse that I agree with ... that and when you start adding punching and kicking ... it's usualy real hard to tell Aikido from Hapkido and some forms of Ju Jitsu apart . There are only so many ways you can punch , kick , takedown , and finish (submit) someone .
The Key is training properly and as realisticly as possible . If this is your point then yeah I agree , Aikido can work .
If your saying most Aikido schools teach properly and prepare their students to defend themselves ... then I am calling massive bullshit .
Last edited by BackFistMonkey; 2/01/2006 1:58pm at .
Originally Posted by ghost55
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Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD
Originally Posted by Agranjero
ok, so you're saying that an 8th dan in aikido can only make his stuff work if you attack him in a pre-determined manner?
You didn't KNOW which direction to fall the first time so you didn't fall
aka the technique doesn't work on a non-comliant partner, let alone a resisting opponent.
If the 8th dans **** doesn't work when you don't know what he's going to do, it just plain doesn't work.
In my 5 months of judo I've never seen my judo teacher say "I didn't throw you because you were standing in the wrong position". His **** works. He doesn't need help from the uke.
If the basic techniques of ANY martial art aren't sufficient to get you through most situation then the art is a waste of time. If I have to wait til I become a black belt before learning to defend myself everything before that was a waste of time.
Basic level karate/boxing/muay thai/judo/bjj can get you through most situations why can't basic aikido do the same?
On a side note -
The Limey is dodging me.
No, I just can't agree that you lump an entire art together because someone doing the techniques doesn't apply them properly. You have to look at the reason for what they are doing. To use the example above, there are many judo dojo that teach judo from the competition approach. I have done randori with these folks and guess what, the sports approach to judo throws does not work against an experienced judo player. So if I follow the logic above, all judo is crap and not worth the trouble. I will tell you right now, that a drop seio nage is a useless self defense technique that I will strangle the thrower from every time they try it. As a sport technique however it is used a great deal with effect.
Same holds true for tomoe nage, most judo players dont use it anymore because, referees often don't know how to score sutemi and judo players don't know how to do it right. But, my good friend who is 2 Dan in traditional judo can use that technique all day long in a self defense situation with great effect.
You cannot give a blanket statement about an art because of how people practice it. Like judo, there are a wide range of aiki styles that have different foci, some are spiritual and some will use the same techiques to put a hurt on you that would be hard to forget.
Umm, that doensn't make sense. A throw either works or it doesn't. If they have your balance they will throw you, if they dont you can choke them. You can either do the throw or you can't. Its not like the physics of the world change on the competition floor. If someone turns their back to throw me and doesn't have my balance i'm going to choke them right then and there. That will still win competitions. But if they took my balance properly I'm going to get thrown, its as simple as that.
Originally Posted by Agranjero
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