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  1. Ronin.74 is offline

    霍氏八极拳徒弟

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     Style: CMA,Muay Thai ,Yudo,TKD

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    CMack11,
    I do believe your right. It is somewhat shortsighted and idealistic and would only work if Kung Fu practioners as a whole made a move to quality instructors. I also agree that having some Kung fu/Sanshou fighters making an impact in MMA would greatly help. Thanks for the critique.

    Satori,
    Your right this is a problem that is shared by many martial arts styles not just CMA, I'll let someone else address the problems in those arts. Unfortunately, as you stated, economics is a huge factor and it would be difficult to keep students if sparring was done early on, which I would not advocate. But sparring after they have some months of training under their belts would be ok, and even then it would be optional. I think the main problem is schools that don't even have sparring classes as an option.
    I too have had my face kicked in by TKD guys, are some of those guys wicked fast or what?

    Cullion,
    I to agree that chest protectors are not absolutely necessary, but as I said my partner has little sparring experience and I'm rusty, we're naturally progressing toward not using them.

    Dagon,
    Yes shitty instructors = shitty sparring. I'm glad you brought that up, I forgot about that point when righting my original post.

    unpossible,
    I liked your commentary, good points. I was simply coming from the idea that people take MA to learn to defend themselves or fight, not considering the large consumer base that will train MA for other reasons.

    Thanks for the input everyone, hope to hear more.
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    This has been flamed through - worked through before.

    It all comes down to personal responsibilty. What some Sifu, Teacher, Coach, Instructor "says" about whatever MA you are learning under them is irrelevant. If anything, any statement by "them" should be taken as a "clue" to go acid test it.

    Learning in a MA context = permanent change in behavior with martial skill sets being nothing more than acquired behaviors, e.g., you no longer flinch and duck your head when someone punches at your face, you slide to the side and blast the mutherfucker.

    NO Teacher can "put skill into your hands" ... To EARN dangerous Hands you MUST engage in dangerous practice.

    You fucking kids can point the finger of blame at anyone you so desire and it won't change a single thing. The only way change can and will come about is if you look at yourself in the mirror and honestly declare "You are responsible."

    You make it "right" or you make it fucked up ... at the end of the day your MA development is YOUR responsibility ... 100%.

    Really begs the question: Why play at being a Victim when you can be a full up Predator? The BEAST
  3. Ronin.74 is offline

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    12/30/2005 6:27pm


     Style: CMA,Muay Thai ,Yudo,TKD

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    Thanks for the input JFS. I had seen some of posts on other forums and hoped you would drop by.
    It being the practioners responsibility was my major point, I just wanted to be more diplomatic about how I stated it, being a noob an all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin.74
    Cullion,
    I to agree that chest protectors are not absolutely necessary, but as I said my partner has little sparring experience and I'm rusty, we're naturally progressing toward not using them.
    What kind of head protection are you using ?
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  5. Ronin.74 is offline

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    12/30/2005 6:41pm


     Style: CMA,Muay Thai ,Yudo,TKD

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    Cullion,

    We haven't decided yet. Right now all we have on hand is TKD headgear, but we were looking at those headgears with a plastic cage in front. We are planning to allow open hand strikes to the face and want the cage to prevent accidental eye damage.

    I have generally used boxing headgear in the past, but that was when I was also using boxing gloves, that kind of headgear won't stop a finger in the eye. Any suggestions? I would appreciate your opinion and recommendations.
    Thanks
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    12/30/2005 7:32pm


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    I agree with Cmack, seeing some CMA in Pride or UFC would help CMA's out and inspire young MA'ers to get involved with CMA's the same way it has increased BJJ and Muay Thai participation in th U.S. It will encourge sparring and help root out some the Bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin.74
    Cullion,

    We haven't decided yet. Right now all we have on hand is TKD headgear, but we were looking at those headgears with a plastic cage in front. We are planning to allow open hand strikes to the face and want the cage to prevent accidental eye damage.

    I have generally used boxing headgear in the past, but that was when I was also using boxing gloves, that kind of headgear won't stop a finger in the eye. Any suggestions? I would appreciate your opinion and recommendations.
    Thanks
    Where I train the sparring is generally in 10oz boxing gloves, and we use headgear that's like boxing headgear, but with a bar over the nose to stop it breaking. The more experienced people sometimes don't wear headgear.

    It's enough to look ok at work the next day most of the time, but you will still get dizzy when a good punch lands. The chin is still open to a ko shot.

    When you say 'open hand strikes to the face' are you talking about 'spear hand' type strikes ?
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    Isn't Luke Cummo a Kung Fu - BJJ high bread fighter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin.74
    Cullion,

    We haven't decided yet. Right now all we have on hand is TKD headgear, but we were looking at those headgears with a plastic cage in front. We are planning to allow open hand strikes to the face and want the cage to prevent accidental eye damage.
    How would it be different from a closed hand strike in this instance?

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    Isn't Luke Cummo a Kung Fu - BJJ high bread fighter?
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    He's a Jeet Kune Do stylist, or at least thats what they introduced him as in the TUF 2 Finale
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