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  1. Omar is offline

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    Bagua/Xing Yi/Taiji bullshido! . . .with clips!

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    ...er...strike that. The bagua looks vaguely practical. Just typical slow motion demo stuff but the techniques look . . er...not terrible. Just no gongfu apparent in them.

    oh...I dunno. I think I am going easy on her because she's a girl. My real opinion:

    This person has no business teaching.
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    Well, I'm generally willing to give people the benefit of the doubt about technique demos.

    I didn't notice anything too nonsensically mystical on the site (she explains 'Jin' in terms of biomechanics without talking about mystical energy fields for example), and she used to be into some kind of ARMA-type sparring (although there's no mention of sparring in her classes). At least she isn't 'teaching' Tai Chi by just getting people to do the hand form over and over for an hour and then giving a lecture on Chi.
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  3. Omar is offline

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    Watch the pi quan clip.

    Heck watch any of the clips. Have you seen any good stuff outside of your experience with Taiji? Do you know what to look for?

    Look at her mechanics.
    Look at her timing.
    Look especially at the Xing Yi stuff. The bagua is kind of borderline but the Xing Yi is just terrible.

    I suppose I am overestimating how obvious some of the errors are. In CMA terms, no 6 harmonies, heck even the 3 external harmnies are absent. No adjustment of the lumbar region and no hollowed chest. In odinary non-CMA speak, no whole body connection. No power.

    To be fair, it this was just one of our posters putting up a few clips of his or her work I could be a lot more generous. As it is, this is supposed to be the instructor. I notice that all the clips (so far) seem to be 2 women working together. While I can see certian benifits of this kind of work, in the larger scheme, if you are goinjg to pretend you are teaching applications , usage, more than just health and fun . .. these women are setting themselves up for a world of trouble if they think that this junk is going to repel anyone other than their ex-girlfriend.

    The guy doing the pi quan is my "favorite". LOOK at that and then tell me how that is supposed to work? The application demo against the 2 kicks doesn't help.
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  4. Omar is offline

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    I need to really clarify.

    The techniques for the most part are not bad.

    The technique...in other words, the actual application of them it terrible. When I look at IMA stuff what I look for is "gongfu". Embedded skill. Power in motion. Full body integration. The specifics of the techniques are secondary. It's like the difference between Joe Shmoe's Muay Thai round kick after 6 months at Bodies in Motion and the round kick of Ernesto Hoost. Both are technically the same technique . . .but with a difference. IMA, as I think you probably ought to know, are more about the quality of the motion, the sensitivity, the relaxed power and other non-technique specific things than they are about techniques. Viewed through this lens....these clips are all garbage.

    This clip:
    http://www.reelingsilk.co.uk/video04.htm

    To my eyes, looks like an excellent way to break your arm.
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  5. Cullion is offline
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    I don't know much about Xing Yi or Bagua, and I wouldn't class myself as knowledgeable enough in the other CMAs I've done to be able to really judge somebody's fighting ability from watching them do a form, except in extreme and obvious cases of poor coordination and balance.

    I could see that the movments which I'm guessing were supposed to be done explosively at full speed didn't seem that fast or explosive compared to what the good CMA fighters I've met look like when they do fast & explosive.

    However, I have seen quite a few goofy-looking compliant demos in my time, including from people who it turned out could actually fight.
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    You're right. There's no way a hard block like that to a decent powerful kick would be a good idea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar
    I need to really clarify.

    The techniques for the most part are not bad.

    The technique...in other words, the actual application of them it terrible. When I look at IMA stuff what I look for is "gongfu". Embedded skill. Power in motion. Full body integration. The specifics of the techniques are secondary. It's like the difference between Joe Shmoe's Muay Thai round kick after 6 months at Bodies in Motion and the round kick of Ernesto Hoost. Both are technically the same technique . . .but with a difference. IMA, as I think you probably ought to know, are more about the quality of the motion, the sensitivity, the relaxed power and other non-technique specific things than they are about techniques. Viewed through this lens....these clips are all garbage.

    This clip:
    http://www.reelingsilk.co.uk/video04.htm

    To my eyes, looks like an excellent way to break your arm.
    I agree with you that all those things are important. I just don't have them myself yet so I don't feel qualified to say whether somebody else has them via video (unless it's bad enough that a non-CMA practitioner can tell they look weak and clumsy).

    I also can't tell to what degree somebody is 'holding back' during a compliant demo very reliably by video.

    She might move differently if and when she spars. The defence against kick didn't look like it would break her arm to me, because she looked like she was trying to deflect the leg by applying force from the side rather than stop the kick by directly opposing it. What did make the demo look weak for me was the total passivity of the attacker whilst she (rather slowly) wrapped her arm around and then applied the takedown.

    But that's compliant demos for ya.
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    I did notice that one of the ladies has no peng to speak of and in most of the punches (in the taiji part) their seems to be an awkwardness that shouldnt be there...
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    Better applications.......guess which one is me!

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    Nice site, Liokault!
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