12/30/2005 7:56am, #41
Thanks you for your comments Dale. I really appreciate your entrance on the thread. My better half is impatiently waiting for me to join her in the other room for a movie so I can't really respond right now but I will later. Besides, it would be nice to see if anyone else picks up on any of the things you mentioned.
12/30/2005 8:02am, #42
That kind of Gung Fu is the hardest and the most delicate to maintain, the dreaded and secret keeping the other half happy gung.
Enjoy the movie.
ZC, Usually when people are walking they are walking normally with the hips slightly tucked under like your sitting on a stool, with the legs in a hip width/natural gait for walking. Training it to be as you would be walking anywhere and anytime.
12/30/2005 8:44am, #43Originally Posted by Omar
Crossing your feet is an transatory phase in a long step, and just like a normal step, if you're caught in the middle of it, you have limited options of where you can go.
You have to finish the step, you can't do something else, but what you can do is to modify it a little, bringing the step in short, or a little longer or a little more to the left or right.
At the same time it limits how you can throw a punch or take a blow.
Generally, I'd say it's to slow and limiting to use in the middle of a striking exchange, but it does have it's place as the other person closes the gap into striking range or in moving behind someone to take their back in stand up grappling.
Then again, I might just be talking out my arse.
Originally Posted by Stickx
12/30/2005 9:11am, #44
We watched a bit of some Japanese comedy cartoon series she picked up but the DVD quality was so poor even here native Chinese ears had a trouble undestanding what they were saying. It was pretty funny but we got fed up with the shitty black market quality of the DVD and I am free to waste some more time on the internet. lol.
So yeah. Mud stepping is how it was introduced to me. I've never trained any of the other kinds and in my mind they are all kind of non-standard or derivitives. I've never seen anything but mud stepping referenced in the old literature, only in the modern schools. Doesn't mean it isn't valid, just kind of auxilliary training. I've actually been slacking on it as of late as I kind of plateaud and got frustrated for a while and now recently I've started training Taijiquan proper so my stepping has gotten lain aside a bit of late. My standard practice for several years was to do an hour to an hour and a half of stepping each day in the moring mostly before sunrise.
I could answer your question by quoting Dale.
That outside leg could be applied in many different ways. You could use it to hook around the lead leg of someone who is coming at you in order to trip them, or slice their leg out from under them. You could raise the height of the hooking leg and kick the person in the thigh(that was mentioned earlier).
Apart from turning the corner with that step do you find that you are able to reliably walk the other direction before your patner can reorientate himself?
This is how I sometimes "turn the corner": http://media.putfile.com/kicking-drill
Get it? That's just one way. If putfile doesn't let you download it or has perhaps converted it into an .mpg try and download this clip from yousendit. I think the link should be still good:
The quicktime format makes it easier to slow it down or freez frame by dragging the timeline back and forth at whatever speed you want to view it at. That way you can see the footwork in the kick more clearly.
I'll prepare some vid caps in a moment to make my point.
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12/30/2005 9:26am, #45Originally Posted by omar
Now I'll have to try it the next time I'm walking the circle and see if I can translate that head sense into body sense.
12/30/2005 9:28am, #46Originally Posted by OmarLocu5
combat sports hobbyist
12/30/2005 9:29am, #47
Check out the vid caps I just attatched. toe in - toe out - toe in. (with one the 3rd pic being a transitional pic added for context. )
12/30/2005 9:38am, #48
Uh...that last post was aimed at Matt from the previous page.
For ZC I'd say that "outside" "inside" it's all irrelevant. To make any practical use of bagua you really have to rid yourself of any notions of walking circles per se. There is no imaginary circle or person that you are circling. There is just lots of curves. I may not even switch leads during the turn around. I may walk the circle backwards which is what amounts to a Shuai Jiao stealing step. The extreme toe in thing is not necessarily a change in direction along the circle. It could represent the entering footwork for a throw.
I wouldn't want to think in terms of swapping leads. That's just not how my brain processes the information. The feet have their responsability and the waist it's own and the hands their own. This kind of footwork allows the waist and the hands to do their thing more independantly of the feet yet still with the full support and power that they need. It's like acid jazz man. All kinds of **** riffing off each other on but still working together as a whole.
Here's something...look at just the first two vidcaps and play the video looking at only that part. Just pretend there's no kick comine after and what do you see? Like if I never showed the clip of the kick and only looped that lead up to the kick?
12/30/2005 9:53am, #49Originally Posted by Omar
12/30/2005 10:53am, #50
Good to see. The kick/kickstop drill is nice.
One of the points that nobody (except shooter) seemed
to get is the "what you train" vs. "what you can do" issue.
The other day I'm was talking to someone and fell into
a full front splits, cold, in jeans.
Do I train the splits? No. I sometimes do them.. but I don't
At 30+ yo and 6'3"/250#.
I can palm the floor flat-footed. I don't train that either.
It's just a byproduct/trick of apparently unrelated training :D
The flexibility comes from other training. Things like the circle
walking clip.let's talk about why fat-fu shall we?