Kata is not Bullshido

**Mr. Jones** · Posted On: 12/29/2005 1:06am

Kata is not bullshido. In my style and the traditonal japanese martial arts. Kata is performed by two people. One person is the receiver of the technique. This means you actually touch the person. From the kata you learn how to perform the move. Then later you demonstrate how to perform the technique doing randori, kumite, sparring or whatever you want to call it. I think judo has kata like this but I'm not sure.
I can't speak for the Okinawan guys. I don't know about their katas. But I think it shouldn't be dwelt on too long. If you focus too much on it it's just a filler for classes. That's why it should be practiced more at home then in the class.

**Jaric** · Posted On: 12/29/2005 1:10am

heheh oh you Aikido people make me laugh. Next youll be telling me that you have live training and that your style works on the street....hehehe

**BSDaemon** · Posted On: 12/29/2005 1:14am

That's Bunkai, dumbass.

**ojgsxr6** · Posted On: 12/29/2005 1:18am

Ok, Im going to fall for your trap while I wait for this server to install.

For the love of all that is holy use the search function.

Now to sum up basically the points that have been made 1.8 million times:

Like most things in life kata is not evil, it's how it's used which creates the problem. Kata as a store of techniques, or as a one or two man drill, is not the problem. The problem arises when people believe that Kata is a replacement for sparring, or that they're are hidden techniques in kata, that will help with situations thet aren't taught in class.

I personally believe time devoted to kata is better spent learning to fight. And just in case you don't know kata does not teach you to fight.

I have alot of respect for Tomiki Aikido guys, they have the sack to compete.

**Lane** · Posted On: 12/29/2005 1:29am

Originally Posted by Mr. Jones

Kata is not bullshido. In my style and the traditonal japanese martial arts. Kata is performed by two people. One person is the receiver of the technique. This means you actually touch the person. From the kata you learn how to perform the move. Then later you demonstrate how to perform the technique doing randori, kumite, sparring or whatever you want to call it. I think judo has kata like this but I'm not sure.
I can't speak for the Okinawan guys. I don't know about their katas. But I think it shouldn't be dwelt on too long. If you focus too much on it it's just a filler for classes. That's why it should be practiced more at home then in the class.

Judo has kata, but they're not the focus of a workout. Uchikomi and randori is the focus. I've taken aikido before, and there is 0 randori and tons of compliant partners. Not to knock it for what it is, a -do, but if you're looking for a true martial art, aikido would NOT be where I'd look.

**Mr. Jones** · Posted On: 12/29/2005 1:33am

1. Bud Shi Dust explain yourself.

2. Someone knows about Shodokan. Asia is the only one who I saw acknowedledge it. I guess I'm getting lazy. Before I started posting I was looking at posts that I found through the search function for about an hour or two. I almost posted the Aikido vs. Karate video. Luckily I used the search function.

3. Kata doesn't teach you how to fight it teaches you the techniuqes. Well that's what I think it is. I think sparring is a good thing. It tells you where you are at. If I was Aikkikai I bet I would be saying the opposite.

**Mr. Jones** · Posted On: 12/29/2005 1:35am

Tomiki has randori and kuzushi too. Another style has randori I think but I'm not sure.

**ojgsxr6** · Posted On: 12/29/2005 1:37am

Originally Posted by Mr. Jones

3. Kata doesn't teach you how to fight it teaches you the techniuqes.

Kata shouldn't teach you techniques. The instructor who you pay to teach you, should be teaching you techinques.

Oh, yeah for the those who no habla - Uchikomi- Drilling

**Mr. Jones** · Posted On: 12/29/2005 1:43am

Someone said something about the street. I would never say this in aikiweb but my teacher always talks about you do so and so in the parking lot but not in the dojo.
My teacher teaches me when we do the paired kata together.

**BSDaemon** · Posted On: 12/29/2005 1:43am

Originally Posted by Mr. Jones

1. Bud Shi Dust explain yourself.

Kata is solitary forms. Bunkai is applied kata with two or more participants. You don't know what kata is, your randori undoubtably leaves much to be desired, and don't even get me started on your ne waza.

Just admit you're a bullshidoka, that is the first step towards recovery.