1/04/2006 2:56pm, #81
The x-guard is the cat's meow. One day I'll write that post about how it ties into my butterfly and half guard. And how De la Riva ties into half and x-guard.
And don't get too hung up on the names. They are handy for communicating to others but if you just think of them as a range of connected positions, hooks and leverages, the distinctions between them gets blurry and is lost.
1/04/2006 2:58pm, #82
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1/04/2006 3:01pm, #83
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1/04/2006 3:04pm, #84
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1/04/2006 3:06pm, #85
Eddie shows two basics x-guard sweeps in his book as part of his half guard, but he just uses them to close the distance on a standing opponent while buttscooting, and I think he says he only really uses them to get to half guard. He doesn't seem to have a very developed x-guard game, but he approves.
1/04/2006 3:08pm, #86Originally Posted by Aesopian
I concur wholeheartedly with the series of positions, hooks, and leverages bit.
1/04/2006 3:56pm, #87
Originally Posted by Phrost
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The guard can be used as an offensive position, if you've got no other choice- for example, if you fail in taking your opponent down, its not a bad idea to sit through and pull him down, depending on certain circumstances:
-how good you are on your feet
-how good you are on the ground
-how good your opponent is on his feet
-how good your opponent is on the ground
In those instances, it may be a wiser decision to put someone in the guard and fight from there (i.e. Nog vs Cro Cop) and a skilled practitioner can use the guard to his advantage. The problem that led people to believe "the guard is dead in MMA" is inexperienced people using it- they dont know groundwork, but they do know that if you're on your back, guard is the best place to be, so they use it and knowingly suck at doing so and when it fails for them other people wonder why.
Anyways, the big problem that people coming from a straight BJJ background have with the guard has to do with the ruleset. In your typical BJJ fight, it is practically impossible for the top man to attack the man on the bottom until he opens his guard. If one person can do nothing but defend, and the other has the option to go for sweeps, reversals, and submissions, thats a good position to be in.
When added to a MMA context, I believe the guard to be a neutral position between evenly skilled fighters- obviously the bottom becomes less and less desirable as the person on top becomes more and more skilled. With the addition of punches, elbows, and headbutts, the man in the guard now has attacks he can use, while the bottom man still has his attacks. The problem occurs with those who hold closed guard for dear life because that strategy wins in BJJ, but leaves way for an assbeating in MMA. If people know when and why to open their guard in MMA, it would be a much better position.
1/04/2006 4:05pm, #88
Not that it's particularly related, but I found it hilarious how in the first MMA show in Tampa, at least two wrestlers won with kimuras from guard while a BJJ guy TKOD'd a kickboxer with GnP in the guard.
1/04/2006 6:12pm, #89Originally Posted by Phrost
Look, guardwork is not straightforward or easy. It is a complicated, technical skill. It needs to be specifically drilled and taught by someone who's actually used it.
*protip: it's clinch
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