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  1. Ronin.74 is offline

    霍氏八极拳徒弟

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    3/09/2007 2:20pm


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    Just got off the phone with Master An. He told me that he was contacted by Tom's wife asking him to write a letter basically endorsing Tom Turpen.

    Master An told them that he would write a letter for him, but he would only write what he knows to be true. That Tom trained with him for a period of around 2 months meeting with Master An a couple of times a week, learning only 3 sets of the Baji system. At that time Master An went to China on a short trip, upon returning he discovered that Tom was teaching Baji out of his own school claiming that he was a closed door disciple and a master in the system. He would also write that Tom had participated in a demonstration at the Asian Festival where Tom demoed Choy Li Fut, Master An is not his Choy Li Fut instructor nor does he know Tom's Choy Li Fut instructors, but Master An felt that his skills were lacking.

    I advised Master An of the situation regarding his students possibly taking him to court and that is why Tom asked for the letter. Master An at this time is not writing a letter and has indicated to me that he does not intend to write a letter. I also advised him not to put his name on any documents that Tom may try to present him with.

    Basically Master An might not be fully in the loop with what is going on, it seems he is getting info after the rest of us which is probably due to his English level, but he is smart enough to know something is amiss and to not do anything that might cause himself difficulty or cause others difficulty. I think he is basically sitting back and having a good laugh about this while trying to stay out of it as much as possible.
  2. Ronin.74 is offline

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    3/14/2007 8:17am


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    Xaviertr,

    Hoping to get an update on how things went with your meeting with the newspaper yesterday. I'll be in Columbus tonight.
  3. xaviertr is offline

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    3/16/2007 10:04pm

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    Had the meeting with the reporter, went well. He is doing some deeper background investigations. We'll see what turns up. The reporter is looking at doing a piece to help protect others from being scammed by fraudulent martial arts instructors. Turpen would be used as the prime example in the piece. He may also do a story on the misuse of acupuncture skills and illegal herb prescribing. It could draw a lot of attention to their practice. The reporter said he would possibly interview the senators like Joy Padgett, that sponsored the initial legistlation and the medical board. This could cause some real problems for Turpen and his wife, as they break the law by prescribing herbs.
  4. Ronin.74 is offline

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    3/16/2007 10:58pm


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    Keep us updated.

    I met with Master An on Wednesday and he told me that after Tom called him again, for the second time, requesting a letter, that he agreed to write one. The contents of the letter basically consisted of how long Tom trained with Master An, (about 3 months), how often he trained in a week (usually once a week, sometimes twice), and how much material he received during this time (the short form, the long form and a basic training set which equals about 25% of the empty hand portion of the system). It also made mention of Tom's participation in a demo at the Asian festival. After Tom trained with Master An for about 3 months, Master An returned to China for several months to visit his family. Upon his return he discovered that Tom Turpen had his own school and had declared himself a Baji Master and a closed door disciple of Master An's, neither of which is true.

    I had recommended to Master An that he not write any letter at all, but he decided that there was no harm in writing a letter that only stated the facts regarding Tom's training and nothing more. I hope he's right but only time will tell.

    If you have contact with any of Tom's old students that may be taking him to court you may want to give them a heads up about this letter. The letter is naturally in Chinese and I could easily see Tom having his wife translate it for the court and it end up saying something completely different. If the letter comes into play it would be advisable that they request that the court appoint someone to translate it and to not rely on any translation provided by Tom Turpen.
  5. xaviertr is offline

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    5/24/2007 2:31pm

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    Hi folks,

    I haven't posted in a while. Here are some updates on this situation. First, the information about Tom's attendance at the DLI was wrong. Tom has both his certificate from graduation and his DD-214 stating his attendance and graduation from the school. It is not the first time the U.S. army has screwed up records.

    Upon closer inspection most of his background is what he said it is, the stuff that counts anyway. The rest can be chalked up to marketing. If you take 100 martial art instructors and go over their claims, you will find the same thing. If I had a dollar for every Asian "master" who embellished their claims, I would be a rich man.

    Tom is still a private student of Master An and he still gives Master An acupuncture. So something is amiss in the stories we've been told by his students.

    After looking at all this stuff again, I was wrong. I jumped to conclusions without searching deep enough and I brought our misunderstanding to a public forum instead of man to man. For that I am truly sorry. I offer my apologies to Tom and his wife Melissa. I am sorry for any hurt that came as a consequence of my actions.

    Thomas
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    5/25/2007 8:46am


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    Quote Originally Posted by xaviertr
    Hi folks,

    I haven't posted in a while. Here are some updates on this situation. First, the information about Tom's attendance at the DLI was wrong. Tom has both his certificate from graduation and his DD-214 stating his attendance and graduation from the school. It is not the first time the U.S. army has screwed up records.

    Upon closer inspection most of his background is what he said it is, the stuff that counts anyway. The rest can be chalked up to marketing. If you take 100 martial art instructors and go over their claims, you will find the same thing. If I had a dollar for every Asian "master" who embellished their claims, I would be a rich man.

    Tom is still a private student of Master An and he still gives Master An acupuncture. So something is amiss in the stories we've been told by his students.

    After looking at all this stuff again, I was wrong. I jumped to conclusions without searching deep enough and I brought our misunderstanding to a public forum instead of man to man. For that I am truly sorry. I offer my apologies to Tom and his wife Melissa. I am sorry for any hurt that came as a consequence of my actions.

    Thomas
    Are you fucking serious!

    Why the sudden change! You were chasing after Tom like a rabid dog but now you come out and say that you were wrong! BULLSHIT!

    I just met with Master An last week and he didn't say anything about this, admittedly I didn't ask. But any time Tom's name comes up he just laughs and has nothing positive to say about him. I know that after how bad his knee felt after the 1st time he got an acupuncture treatment from Tom that he would never let the man treat him again.

    You spoke to Master An and was told that Tom only trained with him for 2 or 3 months, you spoke to his 2 Choy li Fut instructors and neither one of them knew who he was. Either your now in league with him or you are in fact Tom Turpen using xaviertr's account.(signed last post as Thomas, which has not been done in the past) So which is it?

    I will be seeing Master An again in a few days and I'll ask him about this just to be sure, until then I would like an explanation of how you can suddenly ignore that 3 different instructors told you his claims were BS? How can you do a complete 180 on everything that you discovered?
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    Posted On:
    5/25/2007 9:53am


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    Can we get an admin to check the IP's used by that account to help verify if there is skullduggery afoot? (yarrrrrr me mateys)
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    5/25/2007 11:43am


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    I already spoke with Master An this morning who is currently out of town. When I told him that Tom was once again claiming to be training with him privately he just laughed and said that it wasn't true. He reiterated the same statement that I he told me last time, "He called me about taking lessons (that was about 1-2 months ago) and I told him that if he wanted to take lessons he would have to pay."

    As of today Tom has not taken any lessons from Master An since he left over 2 years ago. I have already emailed Phrost about this but he is currently at the airport and not able to look into it right now. He asked me to resend him this PM in a few days when he will have the time to look into it.

    Can anyone else tell me why the title of this thread was changed? I am the OP, shouldn't I be the one to change the title or is that a mod only privilege? Just not sure of the protocol.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnjunkie
    Can we get an admin to check the IP's used by that account to help verify if there is skullduggery afoot? (yarrrrrr me mateys)

    As of yet, there does not appear to be anything out of the ordinary with regards to xaviertr's originating IP addresses or usage pattern.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

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    Posted On:
    5/25/2007 1:48pm


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    Kagan,

    I'm glad you stopped by, can you explain the protocol for changing thread titles? I did not change it (obviously), I am assuming a mod did. I am not opposed to a title change but would like something that would allow this discussion to remain open to debate. The current title suggests that everything that was discovered about Tom Turpen was wrong when in fact we still have conflicting stories.

    He still has not trained at all with Master An in over 2 years, and neither of the Choy Li fut instructors that he claims know who he is. These two points coupled with the fact that his top student posted here verifying that Tom was deceitful and a fraud should at least warrant a title thread change that leaves things more open and not so closed.

    I aso feel we cannot ignore the fact that poster xaviertr has done a complete 180 for no explainable reason. From my understanding from what xaviertr posted in the past he was in business to some degree with Tom Turpen. Perhaps xaviertr and Tom came to an agreement of some sort where xaviertr would recant his original statements and apologize in exchange for something. (This is all speculation).

    Regarding his military credentials, I personally never questioned these until xaviertr brought it up. If they have been verified then I feel his military creds are a non issue, it is his MA creds that I was concerned with specifically his claims in regards to his training history with Master An.

    Some of the most compelling evidence I felt was how quickly Tom Turpen began changing his training history when more info started coming out and eventually he closed all of his MA websites down completely. This is not something an innocent or truthful person would do. The closing of all of his MA websites, IMO, was an act of desperation made by a fraud that knew he was in the process of being exposed and decided the best way to protect himself was to purge all information about himself from the internet.

    Rant over.

    I would like to suggest the thread title be changed to "Is Tom Turpen Bullshido? Strong evidence for both sides." I don't feel that this is totally accurate either, but I'm trying to compromise. IMO the only thing that wasn't BS were possibly his Military creds. and his acupuncture liscensing
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