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    I haven't met a shotokan practioner yet who didn't spar in a tippy-tappy way, but that doesn't mean that some don't spar full contact.

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    Shotokan is a mainstream Karate style that does everything other mainstream styles do.
    That means kata, marching up and down in lines doing basics in the air and point sparring/competition.
    Sure, you'll get the odd club here and there who do things a little differently, but the norm is what I said above.

    What I think is wrong with Shotokan specifically, rather than the general Karate faults everyone knows about, are:
    • The whole kime concept. This is some bullshit science that seems ingrained into the soul of shotokan. This is where you tense all of your muscles up on the impact of your punch or whatever. I've heard various dodgy rationalisations for this, like it creates a shock that causes more damage or it puts more mass into the strike.
      This of course is bollocks. All it does is train a stiffness into it's practitioners.
    • The one strike, one kill mentality is very strong. Combinations are used in sparring, but are fairly short and the impulse to switch off once you've landed your scoring (killing) blow is very strong.
      This is a virtual guarantee to getting KTFO if you ever try anything else.


    Just so I'm being fair and balanced, good things about it are;
    • It's generally cheap, easily accessible
    • Training commonly focuses on simple techniques - snap punch, reverse punch, front kick, roundhouse kick and sweeps. Trained properly, these are all effective.


    If you can find a club, that trains and spars hard, it can be not too bad. They are out there.
    The Shotokan club I started out with originally trained and sparred hard - contact was generally harder there than the sparring at the Muay Thai club I go to now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canuckyokushin
    No.Just about every style has its share of infighting.If you ask anyone who has praticed this style you will get different opinions on it.

    But the main problem while it was the basis for Kyokushin karate .Much of what you find in Shotokan can be found today in Kyokushin.

    That's where the similarity ends between both styles.Once both styles were tought in realistic contact fighting.Today Shotokan has not evolved.If anything it has returned to a 'stay safe' mode of instruction to its students.

    Shotokan Karate competes in mostly point-sparring.While Kyokushin has Open-Karate Weight tournaments.

    Make no mistake. I have seen some SHotokan guys fight in Kyokushin tournaments. They did very well and had no problem with full contact fighting. Like I said in the other thread labelled "Why Karate Sucks". It all comes down to the individual dojo and instructor. Some are good others are ****. Some train for real fighting, others don't do any sparring at all.

    I've seen some SHotokan blackbelts who couldn't fight off a teddy-bear. I've seen some SHotokan yellow belts who smash thick blocks of ice with their shins and scare the hell out of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost

    you mean karate sucks for ground fighting? Dayum!
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    Shotokan sounds like an umbrella organisation to me. They're all affiliated with the shotokan name but they all train differently and teach differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal
    I've seen some SHotokan yellow belts who smash thick blocks of ice with their shins and scare the hell out of me.
    Breaking boards and ice is a trick rather than a feat of strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virus
    Breaking boards and ice is a trick rather than a feat of strength.
    I'm willing to bet that getting kicked by someone who shin-kicks through blocks of ice would probably still hurt.

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    Didn't say it wouldn't hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Jones
    Shotokan sounds like an umbrella organisation to me. They're all affiliated with the shotokan name but they all train differently and teach differently.
    If you mean in a JKD type of way, then no.
    There are a million and one Shotokan organisations out there, who all pretty much do the same thing, but disagree in a Peoples Front of Judea/Judean Peoples Front way about minutae of Shotokan dogma.

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