12/26/2005 2:57am, #31
Originally Posted by I aint punchy!?
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12/26/2005 3:46am, #32
It's much more than that. He missed the whole context and now you seem to have forgotten it too.
Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn:
A fighter refusing to go to the ground to engage is as much stalling as a fighter pulling guard to pansy out of standup.
I only mentioned "real" fights as an example of why the logic is absurd and why we consider laying on the ground stalling but not standing up.
Would you go so far as to support that assertation? Do you consider standing over a downed opponent and waiting for him to get up again to be stalling?
12/26/2005 3:48am, #33
Turtling is perfectly valid in a pure grappling context. It even works in MMA because of the protections against direct attacks to the spine or base of the neck. Take out those rules and it immediately becomes just about the most dangerous position you could possibly put yourself in.
12/26/2005 8:15am, #34
From an SD perspective, the shortcomings of typical MMA are exactly the ones that the RBSD guys go on about; lack of weapon defence, lack of confrontation management (especially adrenaline), lack of multi-opponent training etc. Thatís not to say that the popular anti-MMA crowd donít overestimate or misapply those weaknesses, but they are plainly there.You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
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12/26/2005 8:17am, #35
Originally Posted by Omar
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12/26/2005 9:59am, #36
See, that's what I mean about the context. I just realized you were arguing with an assertion that had already been taken out of it's original context.
If I take it in the other context again though, the street, you still have to distinguish between the kind of competition for the alpha male spot monkey fight vs. the "pack hunters looking for meat" fight. The guard position may work well for the first, especially if you don't give a **** about your status in the pack, but for the second, it comes up short again.. . although I suppose it's better than turtling up.
12/26/2005 4:18pm, #37
Originally Posted by Teryan
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Some of the points are arguable, such as the issue of time limits in the rounds and such. But the issue of carbon copy fighters is interesting in the UFC. I don't watch much of anything else, so I'm not really qualified to talk about MMA as a whole. Look at the UFC today and everyone looks like a carbon copy. Part of it probably has to do with there's are no more TMAs or random people coming in to fight a Gracie. Part of it probably has to do with the lack of more charismatic fighters and general favorites like tito or vitor. These days the common stereotype is big muscle jacked white dude who boxes for a while, might throw some knees, just works for ground and pound. Of course there are major exceptions, but the general majority is this.
One thing I don't like about the UFC is the cage. It hurts people's ability to use the guard effectively. The guy on top is using the ground and the cage as leverage and it's too hard for guy on bottom with guard to work any submission. Probably just the BJJ in me that's unhappy but still, watching the majority of guard games is much more fun when they are in the middle of the ring than when they are being crammed into the corner of the cage. But like its been said already, its a sport and there will be rules and strategies that form around those rules but eh.
12/26/2005 4:24pm, #38Originally Posted by Chanukah Harry
I also cross train as much as I can, and I often spar with MMA guys and roll with BJJ guys because I know how much this will improve my overall ability.
I consider myself a progressive martial artist.
12/26/2005 4:27pm, #39Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
12/26/2005 4:30pm, #40
lots of good discussion here, that makes me happy! I've had to change my mind a bit about pulling guard, but like one of the posts mentioned in a venue where you might have **** thrown at you it'd be bad... not that that's likely to happen. Maybe it's not such a bad idea after all, but I still retain that it's a sign of being gun-shy and stalling. Staying on one's back is avoiding getting KO'd.