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  1. Omar is offline

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    Maybe.

    But the differences do reflect the way they were trained. I can produce endless pictures of guys in Karate gi's kicking in that way and find it very difficult to find pics with the second style shown. When I work round kicks on the heavy bag I do it pretty much exclusively in the style of the second guy.

    I don't see why you would think that the two fighters were not putting into practice what they were taught. :?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar
    The clip is only about 5 megs so try again later.

    I mostly kick more like the second guy. The other thing he is demonstrating really nicely is what I mean by "cutting". See how his knee is actually angled slightly downward at impact? You can't do that kicking the way the first guy is.

    I have to admit that I am not really doing the hip thing in the clip. Like darkson said, I am being a bit sloppy and that wasn't what I wanted to show with it anyways. There was a different purpose to the exercise. For that kind of hip action on a low kick I would need to add some footwork to the drill but it was only my partners second time with that exercise so I was trying to keep it simple.

    Yeah, that sort of arcing, downward angle kick is what I go for when I kick, and coming up on the ball of my foot allows me to come up and over and down for the high kick, instead of just cutting across.

    I'll have to see if I can download the clip later
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar
    Maybe.

    But the differences do reflect the way they were trained. I can produce endless pictures of guys in Karate gi's kicking in that way and find it very difficult to find pics with the second style shown. When I work round kicks on the heavy bag I do it pretty much exclusively in the style of the second guy.

    I don't see why you would think that the two fighters were not putting into practice what they were taught. :?

    I guess the idea is, sometimes people do things in fights that aren't necessarily "correct". Like for instance, Mike Tyson's uppercuts would not be a good example of a traditionally "correct" boxer's uppercut when he throws them big and loopy and slings them like poppeye.
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    But I've seen training footage of him throwing them just like that. He does it with a great big pounce too. Covers extra ground that way. I like it.

    Back on the subject of kicks though.....

    What's "wrong" with this kick? :

    http://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...C1YISSE24NVM72
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar
    But I've seen training footage of him throwing them just like that. He does it with a great big pounce too. Covers extra ground that way. I like it.

    Back on the subject of kicks though.....

    What's "wrong" with this kick? :

    http://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...C1YISSE24NVM72

    Ok, finally got to watch video. If I were to judge, I'd say since you appear to be leading with your leg instead of your hip, with your leg fully straightened, you're not going to have as much weight behind the kick. I'm not really sure what I think of the step with the kicking leg at the beginning. The fact that you're not pivoting appears to have the effect of your hip following behind instead of pressing forward in the kick. Maybe the kick is stronger than it looks, I dunno =P
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    Doesn't have much snap but it has a hell of a lot of weight behind it. Different mechanics probably from what you are used to.

    OTOH, have you ever spent any time tring to figure out what happens when you kick air? I don't mean to advocate kicking air over pads or a heavy bag but what happens when you miss? Not blocked but just completely missed because the persons scoots back out of range?

    Have you abandoned kicking air altogether?

    Also, if your a bit curious what's really going on here drop in on my thread:

    http://bullshido.net/forums/showthre...8&page=1&pp=15

    Oh and sorry I wasn't able to get a clip together of some regular ole thai kicks to the head for you. I got to the gym last night and my partner had overdone it at the squat rack and was reduced to hobbling around like an arthritic old man with a walker. Maybe next time. We can compare notes then.
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    Good kicking! But why such a large step out with your back foot? I can imagine that it might give you a little more momentum, and allow you to turn your hips into your opponent more. But doesn't that extra step telegraph your kick?

    You step out with your back foot, then step forward with your lead foot, then turn your hips, pivot and kick. That seems like a lot of movements before you finally land your kick. Is that not an issue?
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    I'm not working with a roundhouse kick per se..

    I'm working with this footwork: http://media.putfile.com/footwork23

    No change really. Just lift the leg higher in the middle of the step. A friend of mine put it more clearly that I was going to he said that I was "playing with perceptions" among other things. The "kick" at any point, including the steps leading up to it, can be a knee, a low kick or an attempt to lock up the ankle for a trip. Is the kick striking high, medium or low? I can use that exact same movement to hit someone on the head, waist or thigh.

    You listed:

    -step out with the back foot
    -step forward with your lead foot
    -turn the hips
    -pivot
    -kick

    Two things. First, you can take any one of those parts singly and make them usefull.

    Second, you are not taking into account a moving opponent. I am not practicing to kick pads. I am practicing to kick a person. One who is actively using his footwork to evade me.

    Ok, third, you still need to consider what the hands could be doing. I didn't really do anything specific with them in the clip but if your sparring then they are of course going to be active in relation to your opponent.

    Technically this is kind of a Muay Thai - Bagua hybrid kick.
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    That makes sense. And I wasn't critisizing your kick, I was just wondering if there was a specific goal that was achieved by that first step outwards.

    For instance, if you performed that same kick, but without that first step, how would it be different in speed, location, power etc..?

    For the past couple of years, at the school that I've been training at, I've been hammered with the ring philosophy of "minimizing your movements", to maximize your efficiency and avoid telegraphing your strikes or kicks, even at the expense of more power.
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    ...without that first step, how would it be different in speed, location, power etc..?
    "First step"? In context there is no first step. If you are always walking, which step is the "first step" leading into the kick? The first step is the one I take on my way to the bathroom in the morning for my morning consitutional. You just didn't rewind the tape far enough. If your sparring, every single step you take could be the "first step" relative to the kick.

    Do you need a specific example of how the first step "outwards" might play out in context?
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