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    My feeling is that not being on the ball of your foot makes for too much resistance when pivoting and puts a lot of strain on my knees. When I do low kicks I come up on the ball as I pivot and set my foot down (though not quite planting) as I'm connecting the kick. When I do high kicks, I attempt to come up and over my target and sort of drop my kick into their neck/head and being up on the ball of my foot really makes turning my hip around easier plus lends the added reach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightmare
    http://www.bullshido.net.nyud.net:80.../500/kick1.jpg

    The 80 and 90 are port numbers. They are kind of like gateways to a web server. I am huge web design nerd so I just found it hilarious...

    Ill keep my internet humor to myself from now on.
    It's port 8090, not 80 and 90, and how the hell you think this information would help you hack a http server is beyond me (it's a fucking standard port). Web design is the like the TKD of computer science, so keeping it to yourself probably is a good idea. (just messing with ya)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    My feeling is that not being on the ball of your foot makes for too much resistance when pivoting ....
    Don't pivot. Step.


    ....When I do low kicks I come up on the ball as I .....
    I was going to apologize for not putting up a clip with some higher kicks included but I see that you come up on the ball for low kicks as well. I'm sorry the guy holding my digital camera didn't get our feet very well. I asked him to make sure he was getting the whole body. Nevertheless, on at least a couple of them you can see how I turn the foot out as I step. Why anyone would pivot on a low kick is beyond me. I will try to get some high kicks up in a couple days as the turnout would be much more pronounced and also because I understand how most people feel they need to pivot to get it up there.


    When I do high kicks, I attempt to come up and over my target and sort of drop my kick into their neck/head and being up on the ball of my foot really makes turning my hip around easier plus lends the added reach.
    See above. Different style. Take a look at Daigoros examples.

    =Daogoro]Re: Ball of the foot pivot vs. flat foot - I lack the flexibility to do the roundhouse and get full hip rotation from a flat footed stance. ...
    In a couple days I will put up another clip but this time with some high kicks included. My flexibility is decent but far from exceptional. I'll double check that the guy with the camera gets my feet in on the clip and you can see that even with my very average (for a martial artist) flexibility I can still get it up there to kick the head of someone taller than me. Perhaps it's a different kind of flexibility. More like a ballet dancers turnout in first position than like Van Damme doing a splits on the ropes.

    ...there is a MT technique called .coiled dragons tail which is a high roundhouse which rises on an arc & cuts down into opponent neck....
    Unfortunately I haven't got a decent heavybag in that gym where I made the clip so I am not sure how to show this but it is my belief that even mid level or thigh kicks should "cut down", not only "rainbow kicks" which is what we used to call what you just described. There's a couple variations on the theme. You can come high like you were going to kick the head and then drive down into the waist or you can aim at the waist and hit the thigh. Those are both versions of the rainnbow kick you described as aimed at the neck. But what I think is more important is to get the hand of just turning your knee "inwards" basically adduction right as you drive through the target. It could mean just ultimately kicking an inch or two lower than where your leg was headed right before impact. You get to kind of dig in to the target that way. I think it hurts more.

    As I have no bag though, it's hard to show on a partner allthough I think I can demo it with some high kicks. With the mid and low kicks I have to kind of be carefull to throw them in a way that won't kill my leg when he blocks. At the end of the clip I posted you can here my partner cry out a second or two after he throws his first kick and then we laugh and call it quits. That's because he hurt his leg on mine. I think he maybe he kicked too high. Here's a vidcap:

    http://photo.163.com/openpic.php?user=bailewen&pid=648390892&_dir=%2F25 423392


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    I step out before or as I'm kicking, and I pivot to get added hip rotation. Step out at about 9o'clock, then as I kick I pivot to about 6o'clock (as seen in the picture of the woman kicking the bag). I used to only do the step without pivoting, but I find that I'm able to follow through with the kick more if I also pivot.
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    Special for you..next clip....me kicking air with full follow through ie. 360 degree circle. No pivot, flat foot.

    It might have to wait a couple days untill I have a partner to video it. ... there's a little rotation on the ball of the foot after the kick has come around about 270 degrees but that's it.

    This is possibly not very classic Muay Thai and probably shows my baguazhang influence. It's areal bagua type kick for me. I'll show you a very boring looking step around as well that actually translates into a real nice knee to the thigh.
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    argh, sadly my connection is crap and I get booted offline every time I try to download a clip so I haven't been able to watch the clips posted
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar
    Special for you..next clip....me kicking air with full follow through ie. 360 degree circle. No pivot, flat foot.

    It might have to wait a couple days untill I have a partner to video it. ... there's a little rotation on the ball of the foot after the kick has come around about 270 degrees but that's it.

    This is possibly not very classic Muay Thai and probably shows my baguazhang influence. It's areal bagua type kick for me. I'll show you a very boring looking step around as well that actually translates into a real nice knee to the thigh.
    Just curious, do you have your hip thrusted outward as your kicking, leading with your hip more so than your knee/leg? When I kick, I lift my leg with my knee pointed at about 1:30o'clock and my hip thrusted out towards my target, then bring my hip around with my leg slightly behind.


    This guy, for instance, is leading with his leg instead of his hip



    whereas this guy is leading with his hip



    EDIT: both kickers would likely rotate through with the kick, but it seems to me that the latter would have more weight behind the kick
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    Good eye, Kid. I was trying to think of a way to describe the "pervert thrust" (as I remember someone calling it)...but you broke it down very nicely.

    This is another key difference that I've noticed with the MT Roundhouse, and I remember it distinctly because of an a session once with a friend of mine. I was throwing "chambered" roundhouses, and I couldn't understand the concept of "leading with the hips".

    So...he had me "hump air" a few times to feel the idea.

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    The clip is only about 5 megs so try again later.

    I mostly kick more like the second guy. The other thing he is demonstrating really nicely is what I mean by "cutting". See how his knee is actually angled slightly downward at impact? You can't do that kicking the way the first guy is.

    I have to admit that I am not really doing the hip thing in the clip. Like darkson said, I am being a bit sloppy and that wasn't what I wanted to show with it anyways. There was a different purpose to the exercise. For that kind of hip action on a low kick I would need to add some footwork to the drill but it was only my partners second time with that exercise so I was trying to keep it simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    Just curious, do you have your hip thrusted outward as your kicking, leading with your hip more so than your knee/leg? When I kick, I lift my leg with my knee pointed at about 1:30o'clock and my hip thrusted out towards my target, then bring my hip around with my leg slightly behind.

    EDIT: both kickers would likely rotate through with the kick, but it seems to me that the latter would have more weight behind the kick
    I just thought of something.These fighters are not putting into practice what they were tought.In each picture you do see different stances.But that was accidental.

    Both individuals are not trying to show exact techniques only trying to knockout their opponents out.

    Just my observation.

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