Judo Knife Defense

**Don Gwinn** · Posted On: 12/27/2005 11:31am

So, first up you don't know anything about grappling even remotely, and yet you're still posting.

Second, you missed the multitude of BJJ and grappling threads in this forum?

This forum was advertised as a place to learn about BJJ whether you do it or not. I'm considering joining up in the spring, so yes, I've been reading the threads in here. The one about what to expect on your first day of BJJ was interesting. I don't know enough to get much out of the technique threads.

And yes, I posted in this thread without knowing about grappling. I have never pretended to have any knowledge of grappling, nor am I posting on that subject in this thread. This thread is not about grappling; it's about a Judo vs. knife demo Aesopian found and the fact that it sucks. And since the hijack, it's about whether that makes any sense in this forum, which was NOT advertised as a place for style-v-style trolling. I'll be back to lurking soon, but I had an opinion on that topic, so I posted it.

Third, are you just here to bitch instead of contributing? (which is obvious since you've really admitted to having no grappling knowledge)

In this thread? Yes. My post was a complaint. Grappling knowledge would seem to be irrelevant.

And yes, typing opinions of Judo Knife defence is a BJJ technique.

Ah, so.

**Aesopian** · Posted On: 12/27/2005 11:36am

Jesus.

**Stick** · Posted On: 12/27/2005 12:39pm

Originally Posted by Aesopian

Jesus.

... doesn't think this is funny either.

**Lu Tze** · Posted On: 12/27/2005 1:16pm

So wait, trying to defeat a knife weilding attacker by holding his foot isn't a good idea? Let me just write that one down, should come in handy...

P.S. Why the **** hasn't Captain Obvious been invoked in this thread yet?

On a more serious note though, won't 'real' BJJ and Judo knife defences both be almost identical? Why is everyone arguing?

**CanucKyokushin** · Posted On: 12/27/2005 1:24pm

Originally Posted by Lu Tze

So wait, trying to defeat a knife weilding attacker by holding his foot isn't a good idea? Let me just write that one down, should come in handy...

P.S. Why the **** hasn't Captain Obvious been invoked in this thread yet?

On a more serious note though, won't 'real' BJJ and Judo knife defences both be almost identical? Why is everyone arguing?

Heh?I guess you're not talking about me?

**Don Gwinn** · Posted On: 12/27/2005 1:34pm

On a more serious note though, won't 'real' BJJ and Judo knife defences both be almost identical? Why is everyone arguing?

I like to argue. Plus, I don't know anything about BJJ or Judo, so I don't know that their knife defences should be almost identical. So, there's that.

Jesus.

Ah, so.

**Lu Tze** · Posted On: 12/27/2005 1:40pm

Originally Posted by Canuckyokushin

Heh?I guess you're not talking about me?

Hehe, I was refering to the image macro I've seen around these parts. It's cool though, you'll do. :P

Actually my question was serious, I thought Judo and BJJ were practically identical, they just place different emphasis on standup/ground work. Or are their training methods significantly different a la Judo and (Japanese) JuJitsu (sp?) at the time of Kano's 'reforms'? Basically, is BJJ an evolution or a revolution?

**Matt Bernius** · Posted On: 12/27/2005 2:10pm

I wouldn't use most BJJ knife defense either. The best progressive grappling system that involves knife defense is Karl Transwells S.T.A.B. system. It's a solid mix of concepts from weapons based martial arts and also grappling concepts as well. Sprinkle in Transwell's time as a door man and you have a solid conceptual system for dealing with knives.

As far as BJJ responses to knives, while I realize that the Gracies are not necessarily the Alpha and Omega, as JKDChick has pointed out in the past, they've published their fair share of god-awful, get-youself-turned-into-a-pin-cushion, knife defenses.*

In general appreciate an art for what its good for. Modern Judo prides itself on stand-up work. BJJ tends to be more ground focus. Neither is particularly concerned with weapons.

- Matt

* - in fairness, as pointed out before, none of these involved a hankerchief

**dakotajudo** · Posted On: 12/27/2005 5:54pm

Originally Posted by JeezyTheSnowman

Ask a judo guy about his de la riva sweeps and see what happens.

Ask a BJJ guy about his Khabarelli and see what happens.

**supercrap** · Posted On: 12/27/2005 10:35pm

Aesopian has a trolling/good posting ratio to keep up. He made a few good technique threads so he had to balance them out by thumbing his virtual nose at judo.

And guys, get a sense of humour!

Knife defense - drop to the floor and do a toe hold?! WTF?!