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  1. Stick is offline
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    Getting the back from top of north-south

    Ever so professional video instruction by me.

    It's a simple enough thing to do. Perhaps in a proper BJJ school it would've been covered in the first couple months, but it was a few years before I stumbled across this and now I don't know why it never occurred to me.

    Comments and criticisms welcom.

    Yes I posted this before, but now there's a seemingly more appropriate forum for it.
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    Interesting. If I ever get north-south I'll try it.
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    Cool... But can you show me how to take the back from underneath N/S?

    Edit: Backwards somersault? :5masked:
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    Is there a no-gi version?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaosexmachina
    Cool... But can you show me how to take the back from underneath N/S?

    Edit: Backwards somersault? :5masked:
    This is the only escape I ever use from north-south, and as gimmicky as it seems it works beautifully. The trick, as with any escape, is to begin before they confirm the position. The instant my opponent is about to head to north/south, I immediately push off their hips and do a backwards somersault. Another key consideration is to roll at a slight angle; if you roll straight back, you're liable to get your head pinned and get stuck just shy of putting your hooks in. I like to get a little bit on my shoulder once I've created the space between my head and their hips, then do the backroll.

    Like I said, it sounds gimmicky, but it's a high-percentage move, and even if you don't take the back, you'll probably end up in guard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAVATORR
    This is the only escape I ever use from north-south, and as gimmicky as it seems it works beautifully. The trick, as with any escape, is to begin before they confirm the position. The instant my opponent is about to head to north/south, I immediately push off their hips and do a backwards somersault. Another key consideration is to roll at a slight angle; if you roll straight back, you're liable to get your head pinned and get stuck just shy of putting your hooks in. I like to get a little bit on my shoulder once I've created the space between my head and their hips, then do the backroll.

    Like I said, it sounds gimmicky, but it's a high-percentage move, and even if you don't take the back, you'll probably end up in guard.
    .....

    Dude, I can never tell when or if you're being serious, but I'll try it on some n00b when no one is looking.

    Thanks... I think.

    edit: it makes sense in my head, Os, but in my head dragons make sense too. Never seen it anywhere ever, which would bely the notion that it's "standard"

    oh, and while I'm editing.

    Quote Originally Posted by chaosexmachina
    Is there a no-gi version?
    Did you not watch the whole thing? I showed both.
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    Alright, alright, I'll try it.

    If it works brilliantly I will feel stupid, but I will only give you a tiny apology.
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    To get the back from underneath front control

    Grab his belt and start to move your hips away from him by locking your arms straight and shrimping towards your feet.


    Swing your feet up over your head, put your right ear on the ground and try to get your right foot in under his hips.




    Now get your other hook in and you've taken his back.
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    Thank you, pictures help everything.
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    Dancer,

    Pay attention to lavatorr and Johnys when they say to roll at a slight angle. Johnny described it perfectly when he said to put your ear on the ground.

    Many people when trying it for the first time try to roll straight back. I remember doing that a few times years ago and barely being able to move my head the next day. Not only is it less effective straight back, it's also dangerous.

    I agree that it's probably the most effective escape from that position.
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