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  1. dakotajudo is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Choke You
    Not all Judoka are like that though. Some Judo clubs don't teach anything illegal in competition to avoid confusion. That's sad.
    Yeah, makes baby Jesus cry.

    But if you're going to get a spot on the Olympic team, you pretty much gotta focus on competition rules. On the plus side, if you train that way, you can pull off the legal techniques better than those who work outside the rules. And what's legal is good enough for self-defense in most cases. So you got 5 choices to sub instead of 3, BFD.

    Quote Originally Posted by I Choke You
    BJJ is too far in the other direction for mat work, and too eager to use the guard, but there's a happy medium, and all that crap about Samurai is ridiculous. This isn't feudal Japan.
    For myself, I find judo to be the happy medium.

    I certainly wouldn't want to reject the samurai compenent out of hand. Kano was born just at the start of the Meiji Restoration; his teachers still taught the koryu model. And what Kano formalized as part of Kodokan judo includes some of the koryu modes.

    I find it worth my time to understand why techniques are performed as specified, to better adapt the concepts, the ways of moving. To ignore the history, because I'm not in feudal Japan, would be silly. I tend to assume Kano was intelligent enough to have good reason to retain some important ideas in the kata, but I don't feel a need to always perform kata exactly as specified.

    Judo denies reality as much as BJJ does in its focus. Hence my initial comment that they both suck.
    A more positive (and probably more useful) way to say this is that they both focus on different aspects of reality for competition purposes; hence both have their uses.
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    That's pretty reasonable. I understand the desire to understand the history. I like knowing that my style is rooted in Judo, I just like that it's also rooted in Freestyle and Greco-Roman Wrestling, JJJ, Sambo, Kyokushin, Muay Thai, etc.

    But still...it irks me that neither of Judo or BJJ is balanced. Judo is an essential part of the complete fighter, but you can learn how to combine it with other parts of fighting at the same time. Same with BJJ, it just bugs me that ANY art that is realistic in one aspect has to lack in some other area, why, WHYYYYYYY!!!???
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Choke You

    But still...it irks me that neither of Judo or BJJ is balanced. Judo is an essential part of the complete fighter, but you can learn how to combine it with other parts of fighting at the same time.
    If you want that, compete MMA.

    My preference would be to have a lot of judo, BJJ, wrestling, whatever, tournaments in my area on a regular basis - get a chance to test against specialists in each specific range.

    Since we don't have that (the nearest judo tournament held regularly is a good 4 hours away, the occasional BJJ tournament is about the same), but there is an active MMA show only an hour away. Right now I'm focusing on training, and adapting, judo for MMA. (My one MMA competition to date, I pretty much used straight judo).

    Other judo clubs do host ne-waza only tournaments; some may even host sport jujutsu-style (limited strikes). A lot of clubs do offer competition rules that differ from the IJF.

    A lot of competitive judoka also cross-compete; mostly wrestling, but that's 'cause it's been around longer, and more opportunities for high school and college competition. Quite a few box.

    I guess I find it important to distinquish judo (or any other style, for that matter - as others have said in this thread) as a competitive outlet, and judo studied expressly for the martial aspect.
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    Well, I'm kind of the opinion that there should ONLY be MMA, just different variations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Choke You
    But still...it irks me that neither of Judo or BJJ is balanced. Judo is an essential part of the complete fighter, but you can learn how to combine it with other parts of fighting at the same time. Same with BJJ, it just bugs me that ANY art that is realistic in one aspect has to lack in some other area, why, WHYYYYYYY!!!???
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Choke You
    But still...it irks me that neither of Judo or BJJ is balanced. Judo is an essential part of the complete fighter, but you can learn how to combine it with other parts of fighting at the same time. Same with BJJ, it just bugs me that ANY art that is realistic in one aspect has to lack in some other area, why, WHYYYYYYY!!!???

    Huh ? Your way off base with that one.

    WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU ? Judo and BJJ not balanced ? What are you, a fuckin' idiot ? I've said it how many times now, my Judo club aswell as other decent ones will have a good 50/50 split.

    Half the time spent on standup grappling i.e throws and takedowns and the other half of the time spend on groundfighting. If we spend one whole lesson on throws, we spend the next lesson on groundfighting to compensate.

    How the **** can you not call Judo balanced ? Its one of the best martial arts you can do and pound for pound offers a great base for grappling full stop. BJJ clubs are starting to work more takedowns into their training by the sounds of it. And thats great. Do you even train ?
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    Posted On:
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    How many times have you practiced strikes in Judo? Legbars, heel hooks, neck cranks? No gi?
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    Yes, why martial arts have to efectively cover only some ranges of hand to hand combat and not all of them ?!

    I understand pankration has ben around for a lot of time but why isn't this necessity higly reconised ?
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    A plethora of reasons not really worth discussing on this thread. Judo simply is not a complete system, even for grappling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal
    Huh ? Your way off base with that one.

    WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU ? Judo and BJJ not balanced ? What are you, a fuckin' idiot ? I've said it how many times now, my Judo club aswell as other decent ones will have a good 50/50 split.

    Half the time spent on standup grappling i.e throws and takedowns and the other half of the time spend on groundfighting. If we spend one whole lesson on throws, we spend the next lesson on groundfighting to compensate.

    How the **** can you not call Judo balanced ? Its one of the best martial arts you can do and pound for pound offers a great base for grappling full stop. BJJ clubs are starting to work more takedowns into their training by the sounds of it. And thats great. Do you even train ?
    I think he was referring to strikes.

    I don't think that many martial arts can claim to be balanced, most focus on one thing or another. I think it's up to the individual to cross train in different styles to become balanced.
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