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  1. The Villain is offline
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    Gay Bashing in the Martial Arts

    This warrant's a MABS thread, not YMAS.

    First, I present the following link:

    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/B...at-2878875.php

    This link discusses the level of sexuality based assaults related to Brazilian Jiujitsu, stating:

    Brazilian gay rights leaders say at least 1 in 10 incidents of gay bashing in Rio, a city of 12 million, is related to jiu-jitsu fighters. "Anyone who says the Gracie family are sports heroes couldn't be further from the truth," Ibiapino said.
    More to follow as time permits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Villain View Post
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/B...at-2878875.php

    This link discusses the level of sexuality based assaults related to Brazilian Jiujitsu, stating:
    No, this link leads to a 14 year old fluff piece on BJJ that nutrides Helio.

    It is mildly annoying that you chose the exact same title as the other thread. Please provide the link from the article you quoted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp View Post
    No, this link leads to a 14 year old fluff piece on BJJ that nutrides Helio.

    It is mildly annoying that you chose the exact same title as the other thread. Please provide the link from the article you quoted.
    Well there is this quote
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    "Brazilian jiu-jitsu is not about self-defense. It is about the practice of violence," said Eugenio Ibiapino, a board member of Rio's Center Against Homosexual Discrimination. In one high-profile incident last year, one of Gracie's great-nephews was involved in a jiu-jitsu attack against transvestites.

    Brazilian gay rights leaders say at least 1 in 10 incidents of gay bashing in Rio, a city of 12 million, is related to jiu-jitsu fighters. "Anyone who says the Gracie family are sports heroes couldn't be further from the truth," Ibiapino said.

    At Rio's 7,000-member Gracie Academy, Royler Gracie, one of Gracie's jiu- jitsu champion sons, insisted that his family members are opposed to using their techniques in street attacks. They try, he said, to root out "bad seeds."
    So it is mentioned. I would say it lends credibility to the claim that anti-gay sentiments exist within the history of BJJ specifically the Gracies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    Well there is this quote


    So it is mentioned. I would say it lends credibility to the claim that anti-gay sentiments exist within the history of BJJ specifically the Gracies.
    I think what you are trying to say is that the quote is in the article and I missed it. Not sure how I did that though. I read the whole article and somehow managed to completely gloss over that part.

    My apologies Villain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp View Post
    I think what you are trying to say is that the quote is in the article and I missed it. Not sure how I did that though. I read the whole article and somehow managed to completely gloss over that part.

    My apologies Villain.
    It does nutride Helio quite nicely tho, even tastefully.

    And yes that is what I was trying to communicate, the quote is in there.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
    “I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
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    So what is it we're supposed to investigate?
    whether or not the gracies encouraged hate crimes?
    whether or not they still do?
    Anyone found something more recent on this?

    I did a few searches but came up with nothing of interest, new or old. I don't have time to really get into it right now though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    So it is mentioned. I would say it lends credibility to the claim that anti-gay sentiments exist within the history of BJJ specifically the Gracies.
    Gracie's quasi homophobic machismo, or the Pit Boys phenomena, is not news to anyone.
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    In one high-profile incident last year, one of Gracie's great-nephews was involved in a jiu-jitsu attack against transvestites.
    I had to read that twice...a "high profile" jiujitsu attack against transvestites involving a Gracie great-nephew?

    Which great-nephew and why can't I find this in print anywhere? Was this a buried story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    I had to read that twice...a "high profile" jiujitsu attack against transvestites involving a Gracie great-nephew?

    Which great-nephew and why can't I find this in print anywhere? Was this a buried story?

    LUTADORES DE JIUJÍTSU ATACAM TRAVESTIS NO RIO DE JANEIRO
    Quatro lutadores de jiujítsu da Academia Gracie resolveram “caçar” travestis que
    faziam ponto na Avenida Atlântica, Copacabana, na madrugada de 1 de agosto.
    Roger Gracie Gome, 18, Rafael Ramos, 19, Murilo Carvalho da Silva Neto, 22, e
    Rafael Correia de Lima, 25, foram detidos quando perseguiam os travestis com
    um taco de beisebol e atiravam contra eles com duas pistolas de ar comprimido,
    equipamento utilizado na prática de Paintball. “Eles pareciam ser clientes, mas
    logo começaram a nos xingar. Depois, mandaram a gente correr dizendo que iriam
    nos matar”, disse Márcio Antônio Araújo, 22, a travesti Susi. Ostentando diversas
    marcas de tiros de bala de borracha e outros ferimentos, as travestis registraram
    queixa na Delegacia de Copacabana. [Fonte: Jornal O Dia/RJ 2/8/2000].

    Source: https://homofobiamata.files.wordpres...usa-mortis.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    I had to read that twice...a "high profile" jiujitsu attack against transvestites involving a Gracie great-nephew?

    Which great-nephew and why can't I find this in print anywhere? Was this a buried story?
    I don't know I found the quotes and claims dodgy and largely unsupported despite, as it was pointed out by DCS, it being common knowledge. I would assume the best place to actually start looking for specific details on this would be, Eugenio Ibiapino, a board member of Rio's Center Against Homosexual Discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
    “I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
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