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  1. Cullion is offline
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    Posted On:
    12/23/2005 10:35am

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    Are there any Systema instructors down Oxford way ?
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    Posted On:
    12/23/2005 10:51am


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    Like I've said before, Systema has some neat things in it. Even in that regard, I would never, EVER do some of their knife defenses.

    Especially like those seen on that Discovery style program. Oh lord...
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    Posted On:
    12/23/2005 12:42pm


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    @RobG

    I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm just not desperate and/or socially retarded enough to having to earn probs on any internet discussion group to feel good.

    Saw this video, thought "mother of troy...", maybe someone else wants to see it.

    I also already made an agreement with some guys to visit V.V. next time we are near Münster.

    So here is what aroused my suspicion of bullshido:

    a) In the beginning when the other guy punches him, what exactly is he demonstrating? What a tough guy he is or a technique to defend from punches by twisting his upper body?

    b) When beeing "attacked" by a number of opponents, i dont see any special technique in his evasive maneuvers. If thats all he got, he would get his ass kicked if the other guys would really go for it.

    c) His training partners act like dolls when he demonstrates the techniques on them. I also think most of the stuff wouldnt work in a real situation.

    I dont doubt that he is strong and/or fast, and he sure can kick, but from what I see on that video, my common sense tells me that this system isnt any good.
  4. marcdscott is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/23/2005 1:31pm

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    Systema is one of many arts praticed by Russian Special Forces. For the most part each base commander has a strong say in what is taught, for some it is Karate, for a few it is Systema. The greatest majority of people though train in Sambo, and that includes Russian Special Forces.
  5. Paul Genge is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/23/2005 1:32pm


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    Please make the trip then comment. At least you will talking from experience. Valentine is more than capable of giving you the answers you are looking for. I know I was one of the rag dolls you are talking about.

    Paul Genge
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    Posted On:
    12/23/2005 1:54pm


     

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    Cullion - try http://www.systemauk.com/classes.htm

    I think the closest would be Maidenhead.

    "Chris"
    a) demoing different ways to take strikes

    b) It's not all his got - far from it. And you are right, there aren't any "special techniques", just good movement

    c) It's a demo of a particualr point or principle not a fight. And it does. Otherwise we wouldn't do it.

    Here's our latest clip of a trainng session from a couple of weeks back, based around common types of attack
    http://www.systemauk.com/video/NSD01.WMV
  7. systemavin is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/27/2005 8:29pm


     Style: Systema/ninjutsu

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    Vvasilev

    Please, the guys in Germany. Go and train, you will not be disappointed. I look forward to your comments. This guy is a real martial artist, can walk the walk etc. What have you got to lose like Paul said, at least you have earned the right to pass judement.
    Vinny Campbell
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    Posted On:
    12/27/2005 9:04pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by RobP

    Here's our latest clip of a trainng session from a couple of weeks back, based around common types of attack
    http://www.systemauk.com/video/NSD01.WMV
    this doesnt look any different from the last vid? contrived, compliant and not likely to work at all, is how it still looks to me.

    reminiscent of Aikido demonstrations in fact.
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    Posted On:
    12/27/2005 11:37pm


     Style: Russian boxing

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNF
    @RobG

    I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm just not desperate and/or socially retarded enough to having to earn probs on any internet discussion group to feel good.

    Saw this video, thought "mother of troy...", maybe someone else wants to see it.

    I also already made an agreement with some guys to visit V.V. next time we are near Münster.

    So here is what aroused my suspicion of bullshido:

    a) In the beginning when the other guy punches him, what exactly is he demonstrating? What a tough guy he is or a technique to defend from punches by twisting his upper body?

    b) When beeing "attacked" by a number of opponents, i dont see any special technique in his evasive maneuvers. If thats all he got, he would get his ass kicked if the other guys would really go for it.

    c) His training partners act like dolls when he demonstrates the techniques on them. I also think most of the stuff wouldnt work in a real situation.

    I dont doubt that he is strong and/or fast, and he sure can kick, but from what I see on that video, my common sense tells me that this system isnt any good.

    Hey man, this is Bullshido. Either you put up...or you...well you know the rest.
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    Posted On:
    12/28/2005 8:28am

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorOfLuv
    Hey man, this is Bullshido. Either you put up...or you...well you know the rest.
    So when is systema going to put up some good and convincing training, done at a real speed with real contact?

    For your sakes please don't mention the last UK throwdown; it's depressing to think that that's the pinnacle of systema's achievements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stickx
    It must suck for legit practitioners of tai chi like Cullion to see their art get all watered down into exercise for seniors.
    Those who esteme qi have no strength. ~ Exposition of Insights into the Thirteen Postures Attrib: Wu Yuxiang founder of Wu style tai chi.
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