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  1. garbanzo is offline
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    12/19/2005 11:08am

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    Kung Fu: Techniques Against Western Boxing

    Here's the clip:

    http://www.shaolin-wahnam.ch/videos/...workBoxer1.wmv

    Here's the explanation:


    How would you fight a boxer who is very agile? Using the Double Dragon Hands at the Box-Arrow Stance is an effective way to keep an agile boxer at bay. This video clip was taken from a training session conducted by Sifu Kai Uwe Jettkandt of Germany for students of Shaolin Wahnam.

    Here's the site:

    http://www.shaolin-wahnam.ch/general/geninfo_e.htm


    Here are some of the problems:

    1) They are not really keeping the "boxers" at bay.
    2) They spend way to much time in the boxers' strike zone.
    3) Keeping their lead hand outstretched is inviting disaster.
    4) They square off and swith stances while in the strike zone, opening themselves up.
    5) WTF are those "boxers" doing, exactly?
    6) Gimme a break.

    I am not trying to bash TMA or CMA wholesale here. In fact, I would appreciate it if someone with a CMA background could comment.
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    Posted On:
    12/19/2005 11:18am

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbanzo
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    I am not trying to bash TMA or CMA wholesale here. In fact, I would appreciate it if someone with a CMA background could comment.
    Terrible.
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    what the :wtfgif9fr is that?
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    12/19/2005 11:32am


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    well that was painful to watch
    thank you....
  5. Bang! is offline
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    Posted On:
    12/19/2005 11:34am

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    I love how the concept of fending off trained boxers is somehow transformed into sticking your hands out toward dorky guys in sweats who are too busy grooving to the third-level song in Dance Dance Revolution! to actually throw a punch.

    Naturally, this video was taken a long time ago and the young, sterling men practicing have since headed down to an actual boxing gym to practice this against actual boxers. Where can I find that video?
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    Posted On:
    12/19/2005 11:36am


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    This is how you keep non-violent joggers at bay....

    Um....don't boxers throw punches?

    thanks for the comic relief, many of the vids on that site had me laughing pretty good
    Last edited by ItOnlyHurtsOnce; 12/19/2005 11:45am at .
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    12/19/2005 11:39am


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    Quote Originally Posted by ItOnlyHurtsOnce
    This is how you keep non-violent joggers at bay....

    Um....don't boxers throw punches?
    I don't understand this "punching" you are talking about...
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    at :46 in to the clip, the "Boxer" throws a low kick.

    Ugh. Ok, so it is footwork drilling.

    I'm suspect at best on this, however, they do seem to understand the philosophy of Bullshido.

    Combat Applications of Shaolin Kungfu

    "Today it has become a norm that a kungfu student does not know how to defend himself even if he has learnt so-called kungfu for many years. Some even wonder whether kungfu can be used for fighting."
  9. Bang! is offline
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by isol8d
    "Today it has become a norm that a kungfu student does not know how to defend himself even if he has learnt so-called kungfu for many years. Some even wonder whether kungfu can be used for fighting."
    That is what everyone says about every other style of kung fu and why they're inferior. And then they go and practice in exactly the same way.

    The only reason that I find these guys interesting at all is that they acknowledge that boxers may actually be a threat worth learning to defend against. However, with that qualifier in mind, they seem to be under the impression that boxers are slow-witted zombies who are doomed to shuffle around looking for the perfect place to throw a haymaker and are completely hapless otherwise.

    Any of those guys would get eaten alive by even the most mediocre of boxing students with anything more than two or three months of training.
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