12/16/2005 3:14pm, #11
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well it looks like his Chinese Boxing is crap, most chinese arts dont really have degrees do they, pluss his style says its Sil Lum Hung Kuen, Si Lum is a shaolin temple and Hung Kuen is Hung Gar i think, but i really doaubt this guy learned at Si Lum or learend from someone from there.
12/16/2005 3:28pm, #12Originally Posted by kepetri
I dunno - it may be Asian respect for ancestors thing - how often do you hear a teacher claim to be as good as their instructor (who, of course, was never as good as his teacher)? So, of course, nobody today can be as good as Kano's original gang members.
Bluming may be a Kodokan 9th dan - but I can't say for sure. He was around with a lot of the old-timers, and if IIRC had a thing going with Geesink, who did make 10th. But then, he also seemed to drift away from the Kodokan, and there were some personal issues. From http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_svinth1_1199.htm - "Only personal habits and tactless actions with fair sex seem to be blocking his 4- dan."
That entire site is a pretty good resource for historical documents - start at http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsframe.htm
12/16/2005 3:38pm, #13Originally Posted by I aint punchy!?
Kawaishi used an entirely different system of instruction (i.e. different from the Kodokan's gokyo and nage-no-kata method) - plus he included a lot of leg and neck locks prohibited by the Kodokan for friendly competition (note the friendly part).
Some people argue that this is the "real" judo, not the watered-down Olympic-rules post-war-pansy judo taught today. I'm not quite convinced.
Plus, Kawaishi, if I understand correctly, is the bastard responsible for colored belts.
They also claim judo-do, whatever that is - supposedly an extension to judo. I've heard of it, but have no details.
On the positive side, they do appear to at least compete in local judo tournaments.
12/16/2005 4:21pm, #14Originally Posted by dakotajudo
Phrost, is there any reason why Bullshido doesn't have a page of links to things like major judo organizations and the like for reference? Or am I just too stupid to find it?
12/16/2005 7:52pm, #15
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This was posted awhile back, but as a side note, here is an entertaining interview with Bluming. He doesn't seem to pull many punches. With his attitude, it actually seems like he'd fit in here at Bullshido. He and JFS would get along great.
12/19/2005 10:56am, #16
Originally Posted by dakotajudo
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12/19/2005 5:57pm, #17
The John Bluming interview makes interesting reading, although some of what he says is the same self-aggrandizing and self-promotion he claims to hate. Some of the Oyama claims he rubbishes are dodgy, some are easy to substantiate.
Interesting he talks about liking Nakamura but denigrates his aceivments in Thailand - Fujihira and Nakamura both fought champions and Fujihira wasn't the top player on the handbills/posters for the match, Nakamura was. He also doesn't mention Fujihira won his fight by headbutting his opponent until he was nearly out (legal under the rules back then). Kurosaki lost by TKO (cut).
Given Nakamura was 7th dan under Oyama in 1976 and the designated successor it comes across a little as sour grapes - Nakamura was also a Judo dan grade and a local champ, so the assertations that the early KK didn't know how to grapple is stupid, as are the statements they couldn't have fought in NHB - Honbu fights were well known for going to ground. Modern KK can't grapple, the old guys could and did. Nakamura only claims a 9th dan at the moment, and called himself and 8th dan when he left KK, so that doesn't hold water either.
Anyone claiming a 10th Dan is suspect. Bluming may well be the real deal, but pretty much anyone else outside Japan is likely talking out their ass.
Did anyone but me check the KK-Budokai homepage and notice Gerard GOrdeau (lost to Royce in UFC 1) is a head instructor?Sociopaths are people too.
12/19/2005 7:45pm, #18Originally Posted by Cdnronin
To bad some other people don't think that way.
You're right about the judo-do bit - I found the wikipedia entry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judo-do - note the external link site.
12/26/2005 5:14pm, #19
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"From my experience with one of his arts, I wouldn't doubt he knew some Judo, but the 10th dan thing seems absurd. Also, I don't really know that it was him that was making the claim, since he's been dead for quite a while."
most likely true...
what experience is it that you have with these arts, if you dont mind my asking?
12/27/2005 3:51pm, #20
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Didn't you just post the same thing on another thread?
............nevermind, I see you've ABB.
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