12/15/2005 10:54pm, #1
Some information on glucosamine I got from an expert.
I recently emailed James Gerber, D.C., D.A.C.B.0. concerning glucosamine supplements for martial artists. I found his name in articles concerning glucosamine usage for conditions other than osteoarthritis and emailed him this week.
Info on the guy:
Jim has earned two certifications of advanced standing within the chiropractic profession. He was board-certified in Chiropractic Orthopedics and Nutrition. Given his extensive clinical experience and advanced training, it is not surprising that Dr. Gerber has been a frequent lecturer at the postgraduate level for diplomate programs in orthopedics, nutrition and rehabilitation.
My name is Steve. I recently came across several of your articles while researching the efficacy of using glucosamine as a supplement for my needs.
I am a martial artist in my early 20's, and I practice a number of striking and grappling styles (kickboxing and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, especially). Especially in the case of striking arts, I have concerns for preserving the health of my joints from the percussive impacts and training stresses that I place my body under. This includes running, hitting a heavy bag, absorbing the impact from strikes thrown at me, executing techniques at a high velocity, and having my joints forced into painful positions from submissions in grappling.
I don't know how familiar you are with the nature of martial arts, so I'm trying to be as general as I can be. But to summarize, I put my joints through rigorous work of varying types.
I understand that a majority of the studies in glucosamine research are about treatment for osteoarthritic conditions. In my case, I don't suffer from any joint ailment, but have concern for keeping that from occurring. My interests are more towards glucosamine supplementation as a means of preventative medicine.
I understand that you can't make any kind of medical recommendation over email, so I'm asking you as a researcher in the areas of glucosamine therapy:
1. Do you feel that supplementing glucosamine at my age and my level of activity would have any benefit whatsoever in terms of preventative health?
2. If I am taking a glucosamine supplement in pill form, do I have to take the 500mg pills at 3 separate intervals, or can I take them all at once?
3. Is there a clear advantage of liquid supplements over pills?
4. I am currently supplementing with this product: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/tke/joint.html "Joint Boost" by TKE. It contains the following:
Glucosamine Sulfate: 1500mg
Purified Shark Cartilage: 1200mg
(Naturally containing chondroitin sulfate)
MSM (Methyl-sulfonyl-methane): 450mg
Do you feel this is an appropriate product for someone to take with my goals in mind?
5. Are there any other information or resources you think I should consult?
Thank you very much for taking the time to read this, and I look forward to your response.
There are as yet no studies on preventing joint damage with glucosamine, chondroitin, or MSM, but long-term studies on osteoarthritis suggest the first two can slow down joint deterioration, which is promising for your goals. You can take that supplement all at once if you want to, and no studies have used liquid forms, only powders in tablets, capsules, or packets. Your product looks like a good one, although shark cartilage is a more expensive source of chondroitin - most studies used bovine cartilage.
I thought you guys would like to know the results of my investigation.
By next week, expect to hear an answer to questions I sent to a researcher on green tea supplements.
12/16/2005 1:15am, #2
12/16/2005 9:26am, #3
Cool, thanks Steve. Compile it in an article when you're done.
12/16/2005 9:32am, #4
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I started taking a Glucosamine & Chondroitin supplement about 1 month ago after repeatedly overextending my right elbow. I ended up not being able to straighten my right arm without a bit of pain. I did not stop training, and my elbow has indeed improved a lot, and possibly completely healed.
Just an anecdote.
12/16/2005 10:04am, #5
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Thanks for the post, just yesterday purchased 90 days supply of glucosamine pills. Some people I train with also take the 3 pills at once and I am doing it that way also.
12/16/2005 10:51am, #6
Off to the GNC I go....And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".
--Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.
12/16/2005 10:54am, #7
before you go espousing chiropractors as experts, i invite you to take a look at this post and its included links:
there are very good reasons why accredited medical schools don't certify chiropractors, and why florida state university almost sunk their scientific and medical credibility when they briefly considered it. at its core, chiropractic treatment is pure pseudoscientific crap. pretty much any useful, safe technique employed by chiropractors has been borrowed from massage, osteopathy or accredited medical physical therapy programs. given the nature and mission of bullshido, i would hope active, positive members of this site would educate themselves on this stuff, seriously consider the issues and -- at the very least -- include a caveat when discussing chiropractic treatments or practitioners with anything less than full-on, aggressive criticism.
now here's a photo of me drunk. and peeing.
Originally Posted by HedgehogeyOriginally Posted by Kidspatula
12/16/2005 11:06am, #8Originally Posted by Hermey The Elf
My point was that chiropractors are regulated by the States. That whole "subluxations" and disease issue is a scary idea, which I agree is BS. I don't even think that most chiros know what a subluxation is.
I haven't been to a chiro in years. But I did get the scoop on glucosaminesulfate from one, and it seems to of helped me.
12/16/2005 11:13am, #9
actually, and i apologize if i misunderstood you, you replied to it, in the original thread:
not that it matters, really, as the effectiveness of glucosamine isn't exactly tied to the efficacy of chiropractic treatment. i was merely cautioning site members against treating chiropractors as medical or scientific experts. they're not. anyway, the information on that issue is out there for anyone who cares to investigate.
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Last edited by Dr. Fagbot Q. MacGillicuddy, PhD; 12/16/2005 11:15am at .Originally Posted by HedgehogeyOriginally Posted by Kidspatula
12/16/2005 11:24am, #10Originally Posted by Hermey The Elf
None of this is exactly earth shattering. It's old news. The benefits of glucosamine were proven probably 5 years ago. I'm sure the studies are mostly all on line. IMO, I'd read the studies myself, rather then rely on the opinion of some chiropractor.
BTW, I've been taking it myself and giving it to my dog for about 5 years now.