Jjj Vs Bjj

**supercrap** · Posted On: 12/16/2005 7:13am

Well what I meant was it is all well and good saying 'My style has gun disarms, twirling back kicks and a way to defeat muay thai guys using only our earlobes' but none of that means anything unless your training methodology is up to scratch.

But you knew that already, right?

**Ronin** · Posted On: 12/16/2005 7:15am

Originally Posted by supercrap

Well what I meant was it is all well and good saying 'My style has gun disarms, twirling back kicks and a way to defeat muay thai guys using only our earlobes' but none of that means anything unless your training methodology is up to scratch.

But you knew that already, right?

You forgot chi blasts and flying penis attackes.

**fanatical** · Posted On: 12/16/2005 7:20am

Originally Posted by GoJu - Joe

One thing that I find interesting, and I don't know if this was particular to this one teacher I had or to more tradtional JJ, was that all throws he taight me were proceeded by preassure point strikes. And I don't mean Dim Mak toucher. But things like every shoulder through was proceeded by a a quick shot to the solar-plexus with the effect that it always made your body jerk forward thus breaking your balance in the direction of the throw. Also hooking punches were blocked with a two handed technique that landed a chop on the persons bicep that sent a shock threw the arm followed by a chop to the base of the neck that sent a shock through the body before doing a O Soto Gari through.

So it seems to me besides weapons that traditional JJ uses more kicks and punches to initiate throws than BJJ. And that the goal in JJJ is to throw the person whil remaining standing rather than go to the ground right away, which I think is a better aim in a self defense system than going right away to the ground.

Again not a BJJ expert so what do people think. Is this accurate or wrong

The first part sounds like normal everyday atemi, not necessarily pressure points. Striking to provoke kuzushi = atemi = normal. Where people choose to hit and with what technique can vary :P .

And yes, most JJJ styles will have ground grappling as the "last way out" which is why BJJ it an excellent addition for any JJka.

And supercrap.. I know, but it's christmas and that always brings out the bastard in me :new_astha

**warnerj5000** · Posted On: 12/16/2005 7:39am

when I did JJJ it was almost all full resistance ground fighting.
We probably spent about 30-45 minutes rolling each day (per individual, not as a whole class.)

Some striking, some throws, no wristlocks.

**fanatical** · Posted On: 12/16/2005 7:43am

Sounds like what I train. As mentioned, this varies GREATLY from style to style.

**Goju - Joe** · Posted On: 12/16/2005 10:23am

Difference in training intensity and quality aside for a minute. It seems to me that BJJ' sucess in gorund fighting and competition leads to some BJJ practioners spending less time on the stand up.

Whish is fine as long as you are doing either pur grappling or taking someone down who has no take down defense.

as MMA evolves however we are now starting to see a swing in competiton back to stirkers who have worked hard on their takedown defense. Even though they go to the ground they don't get caught in submissions and quickly bring it back up to theri feet. Chuck Liddle for example. So I would think JJ that looks to keep it standing is a more realistic self defense JJ to train in.

**Pojac** · Posted On: 12/16/2005 10:55am

Originally Posted by GoJu - Joe

as MMA evolves however we are now starting to see a swing in competiton back to stirkers who have worked hard on their takedown defense. Even though they go to the ground they don't get caught in submissions and quickly bring it back up to theri feet. Chuck Liddle for example. So I would think JJ that looks to keep it standing is a more realistic self defense JJ to train in.

Maybe, if by "JJ that looks to keep it standing" you mean training in wrestling and kick boxing like Chuck Liddell.